Inappropriate Material in the Galleries

[Reks]

Originally Posted by RobM

Can't remember the last time I moderated an image on this site, feelin' too demotivated with getting called a cocksucker by people for deleting their furry pics, child porn, lolishota, 3d or unattributed work.
I'm takin' a well deserved break.

I, for one, would never do this. You are called upon to moderate what is posted here, and you may feel free to delete anything that I have posted without concern for my feelings. If it makes you feel any better, I appeciate all the mods. It's a tough job.

Originally Posted by RobM

I've lost count of the number of artists already removed and added to the exclusion list on this site due to just making endless, absolutely endless streams of pictures of naked eight year old boys with massive great boners wobbling in the wind. Seriously, the best justification you can come up with is; "Sometimes it happens, that preteen boys get an erection before punishment which is why I've drawn a picture of three of them, naked, standing before the headmaster leaking semen onto the carpet. Its not erotic whatsoever, and I'm hurt you would suggest that."

I hope that nothing I have posted would ever be considered in this light. If it were i would remove it myself. I find spanking images to be nostalgic, when I see such images, I see my young self, or my sister, or my little cousins in them not some sex object.

Having seen the direction this thread is taking, and the strongly held and obvious negative bias, I am reluctant to speak in defense of such imagery even though I strongly believe it needs defending. To you, I'm sure I would just come across as some sexual deviant making justifications... For the record - that isn't who I am.

I'm going to miss this place.

-Reks

[Croup]

Ban drawings of underage spankings? A form of punishment that is, traditionally, given to minors? I . . . what?

[Nene]

I don't know really what to say about this issue. I am a bit frustrated with the pictures in the gallery that have simpsons and stuff that's not even anime. I'm also frustrated about people drawing children and showing their privates. Urgh...Though does this mean that everyone is prohibited from drawing children? That all pictures should be sexual, and with adults only? I don't draw sexual images. Umm..
Yeah...I agree that.. like, the Simpsons and other non-anime stuff should be taken off the site.. I mean ...it IS ANIME OTK. I'm sick of those artists who think that Anime OTK is a place for Simpsons, Furries, Fairly Odd Parents[and all other kids shows]. It doesn't belong here..
I'm not the kind of person to draw sexual images. If I'm asked to, then fine I'll probably do it, but most of my pictures are meant to be funny, or they show discipline.
I don't draw children. Most of my art has young adults, 17 and older. Characters like Katilda[most of you've seen that comic] is pretty much the only child I draw. AOTK kids, I was just doing that for fun. Thought it'd be cute. But yeah, from now on I'm not going to draw children. I see how wrong it could be, but my spankers are never smiling/enjoying the spanking unless it's a joke to both the spanker and the spankee.

Where my thoughts lie on this topic.. Non-anime stuff doesn't belong here! That means NO Arthur[PBS kids show], no Nick shows, no Simpsons, and .. UGH! I haven't seen enough non-anime art on here to name categories that don't belong on here!! and I know my grammar pretty much sucks but atleast you can get the point >_>

[Cc]

@ Croup and Mini-Cc (Captian Catnip)

RobM will be posting a set of rules for the galleries, where pictures involving Minors will be allowed, but have to follow certain guidelines.

A note: I guess I should clarify that pictures with "minors" As in mid teens to older teens (14-18) do not bother me. As Kamitora mentioned, most people are sexually exploration long before they are 18, and therefore pictures depicting them aren't that big of an issue with me. It's mostly pictures that involve young children, and especially those that depict them with obvious sexual intent, and/or show adult spankers of children enjoying pleasure in punishing a child.

Catnip, your pictures do not bother me. Most all of them are old enough to be in a "safe" area, and like you said, you do not do sexually blatant drawings, therefore they retain a sort of "innocence" of sorts. They are strictly discipline usually intended for humor purposes.

I don't mean to make it sound like you have to draw blatantly sexual pictures of adults specifically...

@ Reks

Most of your stuff isn't blatantly sexual either, but I do feel discomfort seeing genitalia of obviously younger children.

I don't think you need to feel pushed to leave the site. When RobM posts the new set of rules, I hope you will find ways to compromise your art to simply fit within this site's specific guidelines.

[RobM]

I wrote shitloads in reply to Reks, but can't get it to sound right - so I'll leave it. No reflection on Reks.

I've scribbled some clear rules I think will permit acceptable content. It doesn't address the anime/westen situation but should greatly assist in the question of age:

• No ages are specified. Age relates to style of drawing and body type of character, Appearence and apparent age as drawn.
  
  Non-sexualised non-explicit pics of characters from preteen and above permitted in disciplnary themes - all younger characters, babies and lolishota prohibited.
  Partially Sexualised, Explicit, Non-sexual pictures of early teenager characters permitted within discipline themes.
  Mild, Unforced sexual content permitted with midteen and late teenage characters.
  'Mature' characters may be drawn in all content, including forced restraint, forced sex and rape, if within site rules, ie; No scat or death.
  
  Definitions:
  Sexualised drawings are any drawings where the theme within the picture or the intent is to make the character erotic rather than just the act of spanking. This includes themes such as ritual humiliation, non-expicit nudity: full or partial, arousal in the character and erotic poses.
  
  Explicit drawings are those where genitals are drawn, in any state. This does not apply to bare bottoms.
  Nudity where the genitals are obscured or the character is not facing the point-of-view are not classed as explicit but may be classed as sexualised.
  
  Ritual/humiliation includes sadism, non-explicit nudity as a prelude to punishment, demeaning and erotic acts which imitate sex.

Please note that these are just something I've come up with - its not ratified.
The idea isn't to drive people off the site - if their content is not appropriate then only the art will be removed.

[spankhappyvampire]

I was wonderin when this would take surface, but I also agree with Cc. Now and again, I tend to forget that anime otk is an adult site, mostly cause I don't end up in the gallery very often, instead I stay buried in Rp's. But every now and again when I scroll down my homepage and see some of the recently uploaded stuff, it makes me think. Here recently I was checking my 'new post' box at the bottom of my homepage, and as I scrolled down I saw a pic that had NOTHING to do with spanking other than the fact that the child had a red-botttom...other than that it was just showing off a naked child with a red backside. I personally find that to be a bit disturbing. I'm the kind of person who would rather see a pedofile hung than registered, and seeing something involving a child in a sexual position like that is just....wrong.

I just don't find it all that appropriate to see children on an adult site, and sure some people argue that the spanking of children is natural. But just cause its natural doesn't mean it belongs here. I know that some artists do children spanking with that intetion, and it does fit the bill, but on an adult site, it goes from a picture of punishment, to child pornography...and Anime Otk doesn't need that.

[Aprion]

I'm always reluctant to voice opinions, especially on touchy subjects like these. However I respect Cc greatly and I agree with most of what she said.

Now then, Anime style art...

Though I feel I should keep my mouth shut about this, since I've drawn a few pics with non anime characters in them. ( though I still draw them in an anime like style. ) I too am rather.. irked, by the shitstorm of non anime-ish content thats been cropping up lately.

Furries I can live with, since a lot of them are also anime style drawings. ( this does not include stuff like Gummi bears or teddy bear like toons or other cartoonishy animals ) I know some of you don't like furry characters. Thats fine. To each his own. But as long as its drawn well ( anime-ish style ) and involves spanking I say it should be allowed. Those looking to banish it simply because it's furry can go to hell as far as im concearned. No offence.

Stuff like the recent load of Simpson pics and other clearly cartoonish characters however, are not something I want to see here. The site isn't called ANIME otk for nothing after all.
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Now about the spanking of children....
Such a dangerously touchy subject I only wanna touch it with a ten foot pole. *grabs pole*

I find this a rather difficult subject because when it comes to drawings its such a shade of grey what is and isn't acceptible. so ill have to settle for my personal views.

I have no problem with the spanking of younger characters, so long as they are of age 14 and up. And if a spanking is given to anyone under 16 ( wich I considder an apropriate age for exploring sexuallity ) It should NEVER be for erotic purposes. Punishment ONLY!

When it comes to exposure of genitalia, let me start of with saying I HATE censorhsip of any sort. When a spankee is kicking and flailing in pain I think it's only realistic that those parts of their anatomy get exposed. However that doesnt mean I don't understand why people have a problem with such things.

Again this is how I personally see it: If a spankee is of age 16 and older, hey very good, lets see those naughty bits. Anything under that, keep it hidden for moral sakes. For me this has nothing to do with wether or not it's erotic, but more with artistic realism.

Like I said.. very grey area for me.

But in general I agree we should not depict images here of any young pre-pubescent characters ( age 14 and under ). I myself have never drawn any, and I never will. I dont see the fun in it.

My two cents on the subject.

Finally I want to say I apreciate all the work the Mods do. You guys catch a lot of heat for it, and it's a thankless job for the most part. But keep ad it. You got my respect.

Thankyou.

[Reks]

@ Cc

I understand, I will be asking RobM to remove 2 images that I had previously uploaded. Thanks for being understanding.

@ RobM

Thanks for the clarification. I have sent you a PM with two pics that I previously uploaded which should be removed .

@ spankhappyvampire

This statement: "I'm the kind of person who would rather see a pedofile hung than registered" really disturbed me, not because I disagree with the sentiment, but rather because you might see me or a host of other artists on this site in that light. When you look at the pics that I have uploaded (http://animeotk.com/gallery/member.p...8564&protype=1) is that really what you see?

-Reks

[Klauth]

I am the one Cc was talking about. I didn't upload my work here lately, because of the fact I don't feel comfortable with some of the pictures posted on AOTK.

I want to claryfy my position immediatly: I'm not talking about 15-16 years old people involved in spanking situations. At that age, most of us already had their sexual experiences, our bodes were amost-adult's bodies...we already reached or sexual maturity. No, that's not the problem.

The problem is when an artist represents little children, in any form.
I know: age regression is an important component of a spanking (or it can be). But an artist has a lot of way to show that: weeping, positions, humiliation. There's no need to show off children.
When an artist upload something similar, he/she should consider that it is exactly the type of thing a paedophile was looking for.
Someone said that he doesn't intend any sexual meaning in his works. I think it is a little strange, because we are here not to portray social habits...we are here to enjoy our fetish.

In all honesty I can't stand something similar, and I don't want to take part in anything that could also vaguely be considered in that way. Cc and Spankhappyvampire expressed exaclty what I feel, but in general I'm happy to see there are ather people thinking in that way.
However, I really want to came back posting here, and I really appreciate the rules posted by RobM (also if I think preteens should not be represented at all...)...I'll probably need a little time to decide.

[RobM]

Originally Posted by Aprion

Though I feel I should keep my mouth shut about this, since I've drawn a few pics with non anime characters in them. ( though I still draw them in an anime like style. ) I too am rather.. irked, by the shitstorm of non anime-ish content thats been cropping up lately.

Then complain about it. Its the only way a stance will be taken. I'm not a bloody telepathic and I've run into too many discouraging walls to continue unless I get some support from people instead of listening to others whine about wanting to see more shrek and simpsons art and more pictures of little boys in boarding schools being caned by headteachers in schoolmaster robes.

No longer addressing Aprion but the wider site:
If no-one is going to step up and complain about it, you can all enjoy your cancer, the current shitstorm comes from the total apathy of me and the other mods.

Back during the last clear-outs of the crappy art and the western art and the undesirably content art I had overwhelming public support and dozens of messages to keep me battling in the face of some crazy people from another planet thinking that if its a forty year old man in the body of a six year old its actually quite acceptable to draw their adult guardians commenting and playing with their pee-pees.

You get the site you work for, an apathetic community can wake up one day and find its either in a dictatorship or anachy. In our case, forums filled with emo, drama, suicide notes and galleries filled with crap, offensive content and spam.