Inappropriate Material in the Galleries

[Cc]

Dear Moderators,

I know this is an issue that was addressed in the past with things like Palcomix, but I can't help but bring it up again.

When you find Anime OTK on Google or other search engines, this is the site description: "Anime OTK. com is a web community focused on the spanking of anime characters - anime spanking." This does not mean cartoons, but characters from animes or in the anime-inspired drawing style.

I think the art posted in the galleries should to stick more strictly to anime-related art. Drawings posted should be at least the style of anime, if not fan art of characters from animes.

Lately there have been floods of pictures and drawings that have subject matter of nothing to do with anime. Pictures depicting the spanking of children-show cartoon characters, as well as random American cartoons like the Simpsons.

Of course some exceptions can be made, such as art inspired by American comic book heroes, because these at least depict human beings portrayed in a similar graphic style as anime. The original comic books these characters come from have readers from a wide age range, not just children. Cartoons (especially those from children shoes) should not be content allowed on this site.

That brings up another issue I have.

This is an adult-content site. I know that the pictures of children being spanked are only drawings, however I think it is inappropriate and should be prohibited that these pictures be uploaded. These pictures depicting young children being spanked often are not drawn in an anime-related style, and often depict the adults/others doing the spanking are obviously enjoying it. This is wrong, and I know many of the active community of AOTK to be opposed to this. We have higher standards. I do not think such pictures should be condoned, or allowed. AOTK is, without any other way of saying it, a site for adult content, including pornographic material. Therefore all pictures should be considered as such (ie: sexually stimulating) and to post pictures depicting children being spanked is also considered sexual material.

Please, I'm asking the mods stop letting this trash be uploaded into the galleries. Be it fantasy or not, drawn or photograped, this material is offensive and morally disturbing.

I know many others stand behind me on this issue. In particular I know a talented artist who does adult spanking art who is reluctant to participate in the gallery because they do not want to condone and are disturbed by this potentially pedophiliac material. Well, he's not the only one.

AOTK is a community full of a unique mix of (mostly) young people who enjoy both anime and spanking, and this is the only place some of us really feel comfortable communing together, sharing art, stories, and discussions. It should not be a place that condones pictures depicting children being spanked, or ridiculous pictures of child-like cartoon characters involved in spanking.

Thank you for your time. I know you are already busy with many issues, but please at least consider this concern.

Sincerely,
Cc

PS: If any of you out there reading this agree with me, please say so.

[Leander]

I can´t help but agree. This site is called Anime OTK, therefore it must be connected to anime, or mangá, or at least japanese-like art. As Cc said some exceptions can be made, but I agree some pics are going too far... It´s not that we don´t like western art, but it´s place is not here.

About the kids issue... It´s kind of hard to tell if a picture has "pedophilic" content... But I once posted a picture of a 20 year old girl spanking a girl that looked 14 year old (and i never intended for it to look like pornographic, i wanted to portray a sibling punishment situation), but it got deleted, and I didnt even complain, because I agreed it was not apropriate. But many pictures go way beyond this picture of mine and don´t get deleted, so I think there should be a better criteria to which pictures get deleted and which don´t, for the sake of we artists (so we can know what we can and can´t draw and post here) and everyone... but i also believe some exceptions can be made: when we talk about anime, we talk about 15 years old who look like 20 y.o. XD so of course those pictures should be allowed, at least that´s what i think...

[_cf]

Totally agreed on the issue of stricter standarts for art. Keep art anime only, or at very least "animesque". Animesque = Avatar, or the Teen Titans cartoons.

As for the children issue, I agree to the extent that drawings that involve kids in any kind of erotic context shouldn't be allowed -- these completely creep me out. But I don't have a problem with disciplinary scenarios involving fictional minors, as any cursory look into my gallery should show.

IMO, as long as the drawings are "clean" (no sex bits shown), the theme is discipline and the spanker's reaction evokes a proverbial "it hurts me more than you" emotion, I don't have a problem with it.

[Reks]

Regarding Anime vs. Western style artwork

Before I started to post any artwork here, I made a quick post in the 'introduce yourself' thread. After my introduction I made a comment to the effect that I was somewhat confused as to what was allowed to be posted since the rules seem to state only anime style, but I had noticed many western style artworks posted in the galleries.

This was Ai's response (the relevant bit in any case):
"If you are the artist, you are allowed to draw in any style - western or anime/manga type. (The image must still follow our rules about 3d or photo realistic art). Image manipulations (taking someone elses work and making it into a spanking picture) are unacceptable and poser is 3d. If yo uare not the artist you are only allowed to add anime style to the gallery (crediting the artist where possible)"

Regarding images depicting the spanking of children

I think I'd like to try and understand your position better before I comment. From your post I'm not 100% sure if you object to all pictures depicting the spanking of children, and that only adult spanking should be portrayed, or if you only have issues with with certain images that contain content you find distasteful. If the former, I would have to say that I am in disagreement, if the latter then I would need for you to cite examples of that which you find objectionable before I render an opinion.

All of the artwork that I do depicts the corporal punishment of 12-16 year olds, but there is nothing sexual about it to my mind. Only two of the images that I have ever done depict genitalia, one entitled 'the artist' and the other entitled 'for Angie'. It could be said that because of the genital exposure these pictures are sexual in nature - but it really wasn't meant to have that connotation. The exposure of the buttocks, and by extension the genitalia is simply the way I envision a spanking taking place. Certainly it was that way when I was growing up and was spanked by my parents.

-Reks

[kamitora]

I resist, frankly, almost all forms of censorship. But for the sake of an adult-oriented, clearly niche-fetish, obviously....erotic form of expression, there is no room for children here.

That said, it's sometimes tough to define given the "cartoonish" nature of the anime/manga style. While I consider basically all of my hentai and spanking art 18 years or older, some might view my works as a few years younger than that (ie smaller chest, big head, big eyes). So be it.

I, for one, was sexually active before I was "legal", as are most people, so that aspect doesn't bother me.
But seeing clearly pre-pubescent characters experiencing something with such a sexual overtone is undesireable and should not be encouraged here, especially adult v child.

I must point out that almost any issue of "Little Audrey" and countless Disney short features depicted underage spankings, since this form of punishment was considered standard in America a few years ago. I doubt that they were overly purient, but they were often particularly savage.

The debate over depiction, however, need not concern this community. As a community, we can decide ourselves what's acceptable to post.
I say, for this particular board, we can disallow obviously underage art, and those who don't wish to comply can start their own board.

Should this topic go to a vote, I would vote "No" to any underage depictions.

[noble_lance]

I guess I'm on a more simpler side of things. As for Cc, I agree with about 90% of her things with a few exceptions regarding the cartoonish style/references. I personally don't condone the abuse of a child, though I do rp it out mostly out of reluctance. As for Little Audrey referenced by Kamitora, is the prime exception to the rule, as it was done as discipline to a child not the sexual aspect of spanking. However, as a group there are some limitations we have to take in, as many of the child spankings could in theory be considered child porn which could shut down the website.

Do I think that spanking images of cartoons is wrong?
-No, it happens in older cartoons, which were shown to kids. I.E. several ones in Tom and Jerry and other shows.

Do I think that spanking images of cartoon characters underage is wrong?
-Yes, anything under age should be stopped, if they are aged up to eighteen its okay.

[RobM]

Can't remember the last time I moderated an image on this site, feelin' too demotivated with getting called a cocksucker by people for deleting their furry pics, child porn, lolishota, 3d or unattributed work.
I'm takin' a well deserved break.
And thus the galleries recently are full of furries, fail, cartoons, kids and aids.

Agree 90% with Cc but throw in that with a lot of old media artists thats just the sort of content you're going to get.
I was hoping that AotK was trying to break from mainstream cartoons and focus on a more modern and anime styled theme. The hell with shrek and mickey mouse - thats very much mainstream and old media.

But it seems people (often the same people who never, ever comment on Cc and CM_Z and El Mantonegro's (ELM) work) have come to this site clammering for more pics from the simpsons.
The trouble with enRon Wilson (RW) and artists like George Churchward (GJC) is that they are old media - I love the works themselves - but its not what I feel helps make this site distinctive. If people just want us to host this we may as well just open a starbucks and surrender all differences to the chaingangs.

As to the kids issue, I'd be very happy to see childart go. Very happy. It's not because I want censorship but because I too want to be on an adult site. That would also require the purging of these forums of drama and emo and having a god thirty members told "This is an adult fetish site, act it or get back to myspace."

I've lost count of the number of artists already removed and added to the exclusion list on this site due to just making endless, absolutely endless streams of pictures of naked eight year old boys with massive great boners wobbling in the wind. Seriously, the best justification you can come up with is; "Sometimes it happens, that preteen boys get an erection before punishment which is why I've drawn a picture of three of them, naked, standing before the headmaster leaking semen onto the carpet. Its not erotic whatsoever, and I'm hurt you would suggest that."
I mean, seriously, what planet do you live on? GTFO. That sort of thing shouldn't be the focus of this site whether western OR anime and great wars of moderation have broken out already over that. I seriously don't remember how many western artists we've removed so far on the grounds of just being... undesired, young, sexualised.

I wouldn't set the acceptable limit at 18 though, too high for an anime site.
Anywhere where the character looks teenage is fine with me and non-sexualised, non-explicit pics of younger characters doesn't bother me that much either.
So, its a fairly heavy agreement with Cc.

[Cc]

@ Reks:

I do admit that I did give you constructive criticism and comments on your artworks, which depicted children. I do not really agree with the subject matter of the works, but I can tell you are a striving artist who still wishes to improve, and appears to have good intentions. Thank you for your compliments and support of my work. I did not mean your artwork specifically; there are numbers of artists who do adult/child spankings in their work.

In regards to the "no sexual connotation" comment. I am not going to argue what you feel because that is absurd of me. However I know I, and others, can often view such works and register it as sexual. Especially with genitalia exposed. I don't really see a way around it when the sex of a child is shown. I interpret that to be intended for sexually arousing stimulation. Spanking, for me, is 100% sexual, be it 'discipline' in nature, or not. For me, it is impossible for me to look at it otherwise. That is why I, personally, am disturbed by images depicting children (especially if it exposes the child's sex).

So, Most of the time, I just try to ignore it, brush it off, not let it bother me. However recently I have been talking with an artist on this site (who I will not disclose as of yet) who has made my unease resurface. This artist does adult-spanking art (adults spanked only) only, and has expressed their concern to me about how a lot of the children-spanking pictures make him uncomfortable, and even rethink ever posting his work here again.

I do not mean to offend anyone with this complaint. I think it is good for artists of all walks of life to come together and share their different tastes and interests...but it is hard for me to look at drawing pictures and posting them for other people to look at as anything else but to get pleasure out of, therefore I cannot see such spanking pictures and think they are for any other reason. When I draw anything involving spanking, it's sexual, meant to be sexually interpreted, and maybe I'm just closed-minded, but that's just how I perceive other adults coming to a spanking site, looking at pictures, to interpreted.

I'm not saying any adult who spanks their child irl is wrong or viewing it as sexual, or anything of that nature. But to exploit a child's exposure, pain, punishment, etc just doesn't click with me as non-sexual.

[coolbird2004]

I totally agree with you Cc. This site is for anime-related spanking pictures. I agree with what Kamitora said and I quote,"Should this topic go to a vote, I would vote "No" to any underage depictions." This is an Adult Site, meaning its only for adults.

[Mushy]

Originally Posted by Cc

there are numbers of artists who do adult/child spankings in their work.

I'm completely guilty of that. =(
I'll be honest here - most of the reasons I draw it is because I relate to the spankee. I ageplay. ^^; I like to think I am not nearly six foot tall so I could fit better over a lap. (I honestly think that's the main thing - I hate being so damned tall. Ageplaying makes me feel...shorter. Haha.)

But I hate when genitalia shown. It makes me feel sick. Even without it, there are some pictures that just make me...uncomfortable. Like you mentioned the adults seeming to enjoy it - well, that's exactly another point that bothers me. I know that's just my personal beliefs interfering, but I really wouldn't mind it if my art was yanked for portraying teenage boys (and once in a while, slightly younger boys) so that adult-only images were shown. I wouldn't hate that. I can understand exactly why it makes others uncomfortable.

I do think of spanking as extremely sexual. I do take offense to it out of consensual circumstances irl, I admit.

And I'm beginning to feel more reluctant to even glance at the galleries. A lot of the pictures end up bothering me, but I know my art probably bothers a lot of people, too. ^^;

And like I said, if it comes down to it, I don't mind my art having to be removed from the galleries (so long as someone drops me a PM telling me why, and leaves up what IS going on between two adults). ^_~ If the site goes in the direction of nothing but anime-style or anime-esque-styles, and has some limitations as to the artists on the site...well, I mean, I would like that in all honesty. I don't want to offend people either. I do have a lot of pictures I've drawn or saved to my computer that by all means could be considered questionable. I think there should be a balance. I've run into a couple of times where people bash AOTK for being stuck with this "shitty anime that these kids watch these days" - but WTF. It's called ANIME otk. =/

And my art isn't really too anime, but not exactly not anime...but um...if it all has to be deleted, so be it? ^^;