Restoring the old AnimeOTK Artwork.

[RobM]

I wasn't going to post, but I do need to correct this point.

Originally Posted by justinxd

Well not really. If you release something on the internet or on the shelf of some store for everybody get for free and I mean free, you really can't stop people sharing stuff with eachother since there's nothing illegal happening. Sure if somebody is making money of it, it's illegal, but in this case it's like sharing a picture on Deviantart or uploading a YouTube video for everybody to download and then you say "I don't like it, can you delete that?"

This is flat wrong on every level.
Monsp - and in fact, no artist on OldTk - uploaded their work for free for anyone to help themselves to. Flat wrong.
Thats a fairly 4chan definition of the internet - a free house for anyone to take what they like and the instant its on the internet its fair game forever. And like all 4chan dogma, its selfish and self-exculpatory.

TV networks don't broadcast their shows, and I quote, "for everybody get for free and I mean free".
Radio stations don't play music "for everybody get for free and I mean free".
If you record that, you are bootlegging it. There are no semantics about it, its bootlegged. The artists retained all rights regardless of performances.

You can claim thats there's nothing illegal about recording stuff with your HDD recorder, or back in the day, taping cassetes with the VHS... but it is illegal, sometimes civil, sometimes criminal depending on country and state.

If you go into a store and find its selling DVD-Rs with hand-written labels then you know its not legal and its not legitimate.
Even if its not for sale, and just being loaned by a friend, you know full well that a hand-labeled DVD is an illegal copy that has been bootlegged.
What your offering and asking for is bootlegged copies of Monsp's artwork, your offering to upload bootlegged copies of an artists work or soliciting others to send you bootlegged stuff. This is neither moral, nor legal. Please don't pretend its either.

It was NOT uploaded free forever, no artist ever uploads stuff free forever. There are literally hundreds of international and multi-juristictional global agreements on the copyright of material on the internet, to claim that anything on the internet is instantly free to be taken with both hands is a fallicy. I certainly don't upload my stuff free forever for anyone to distribute randomly around the internet.
Youtube make it VERY hard to download videos from their site and work constantly to stop the downloader programs and websites from working, blocking them as they can. Youtube conent is copyrighted by the creator - and guess what... so is deviant art!

So yes, my analogy is perfectly accurate. Bootlegged work uploaded or distributed is piracy. Artists don't want that, Monsp specifically doesn't want that - so the point stands. Monsp has asked people NOT to distribute her work and all iterations of her work that are around are bootlegged.

Providing no-one else keeps posting (incorrect) stuff thats my last post, I don't want to prolong this, just clarify the position legally as well as morally.

[imported_Passionate Shadow]

Originally Posted by justinxd

This was just my two cents.

If I upload work it's to share with friends and people in a particular community that I may know. It's its not to give it out to any one in the world for 'free'. It is MY work that I am choosing to put on display for people to enjoy for a period of time. When I remove my work then I am no longer wishing to share what's mine with others. So I full heatedly agree with RobM. Even when people commission me to do art work for them they still have the common surtitle to at least ask if it may be displayed on other places provided that I am credited for the work.

[justinxd]

I thought we were done with this issue. I admit that I came off little bit as a dick. Passionate Shadow, my point was that I don't personally see a problem with two friends sharing some art together as long as they keep it to themself. And when RobM said that it's illegal to record something and give it to you a friend, well it's not in my country. That's probably the reason why we have different views.

Anyway, I never intend that if such art would be passed to a friend so that it would make out to the public or shamelessly uploaded on AnimeOTK database again.

Okay, now can we drop this subject since this has nothing to do with the topic? Thank you! And I really hope that admins won't delete this post since I feel I have a right to defend myself.

[imported_monsp]

Hi guys, just giving a big thanks to everyone. I perfectly understand justinxd´s amoral point of view and in other comunity it would probably be like that, but this is such a niche comunity with people that got to know each other in the old aotk, that everyone respected my wishes and in the span of 4 years most artwork faded into good memory as Robm said. I also agree with his point of view of digital publishing. If you upload to 4 chan, youre giving up all copyright of the image (and those couple of images must have been from there) but these forums are perfect for artists as they do have control of their works and can choose to keep or erase them. It all comes to the honor system in each community.
justinxd, I have erased all my artwork btw, sorry.
in exchange I will upload any good manga scan I can see online(with a little grain of hypocrisy as I am doing the same in essence). I'm always with my radar on, they are so hard to come by.