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Dude, you're terrible. Take a week or two to work on your style and you'd be pretty ok. It's better to post good stuff rarely than awful stuff multiple times a day, take Circe or Hbum as examples. You've got good ideas, but you're not putting any effort into executing them in a way that's visually attractive.
You're flat wrong that Johnon's work is objectively awful or incompetently drawn - you don't personally like it, we got it months ago, the only person who seemingly has done nothing with their account but shitpost here is you.
The idea that an artist - any artist, for that matter - needs only 'a week or two' to improve or that 'Circe and Hbum' are the sort of things he could learn from seems to confirm two things.
1) You like Circe and Hbum and consider them the pinnacle. An artist with a different style you don't like must be awful.
2) You don't know what you're talking about with your unconstructive criticism with only the slightly cynical attempt at disguising it at being helpful. To suggest such an arbitrary, meaningless timeframe or to suggest stylistically wildly different artists as examples shows you're clueless.
I've said it before, I don't like Johnon's art much, but he is NOT a bad artist and your complaints are just bitching about your personal dislike as if its somehow gospel. Just because stylistically he isn't like Circe or Hbum doesn't mean shit and your frequent moaning about that less so.
Johnon's work is stylistically designed to be this way, and his frames are so dense.
You've already been told (far too politely, perhaps) by Circe that they don't want your name-dropping, your championing and that you don't have a point in your statements.
I've made it clear - let me make it clearer:
I've let you have your head and I try not to suppress a person for this views, but all your account does, month after month, is post insults and swearwords at Johnon and nothing else. Find something better to do.
Do not use your account to do nothing but flame people you subjectively don't like, or I may start to drop sanctions eventually, especially since I'm beginning to sense your account is nothing but a sock-puppet to make anonymous whines.
I´ll have to agree. God knows I find his style god-awful and his multiposting annoying (on a PURELY PERSONAL and therefore nuanced level), but he is solid on a lot of points that I´ve seen other artists here struggle with or get outright wrong- proportion, cleanliness, perspective, posture, angling...
You could have gone after a number of bones to pick, but you insist on going after the one you can´t, even after having being explained, politely and clearly, why is this so. You ignoring this means either you´re dense or a troll, and neither quality is going to win you points with anywhere here, much less the artists you´ve decided to champion without anyone (much less themselves) asking you for it.
Hint for the feature: most artists don´t tend to like people talking shit about other artists. It´s a matter of solidarity with people in the same struggles as them. And usually someone doing so is a clear indication that he´s not an artist and therefore should STFU.
Ringo: Please, do not use me as a standard or bar for comparison ! This is an exhibition, NOT a competition. We post our art here to share with everyone, it's a friendly and safe place for doing so.
I HATE the idea that I'm being used as a metaphorical bludgeon to attack another artist's hard work. Stop it.
Stop it stop it stop it !
Leave Johnon alone, he did nothing to earn your, or anyone else's ire.
Jesus, relax you mopes, I'm trying to light a fire under the guys ass. I'm not shit talking, if I was I'd say something along the lines of "fuck you get off the site", which I don't want. And I've made like two or three comments in my entire time here, so I don't see where you get the "All you do is bash" thing from. I date a girl who draws furry porn, she hates it personally but she's always trying to get better.
My suggestion to take some time to solidify his style and improve his skill is rational and encouraging, and I don't much appreciate being treated like I'm some kind of dickhead troll.
@Ringo
Christ alive, look who's suddenly sensitive to criticism and can't take it at all.
You've been called out, now you're cynically back-peddling. 4/5ths of your comments on this site, month after month, was shitposting on Johnon's work, it isn't 'two or three' in your entire time here nor was it really intended as constructive and you know it as well as I do.
As I said in my first post, 'take a hint and STFU,' your opinion was noted a long time ago, the best thing you could continue to contribute would be respectful, dignified silence.
Hey, Ringo, I hate to get involved here, but I have an idea, it's a bit crazy, but hear me out....since you're "clearly" an expert and oh so talented or something like that, why don't you draw something?
You "clearly" know what constitutes "good" art, and yet we've seen absolutely no artwork from you at all. Makes me wonder.....
Wonder what, how a suggestion that someone should improve on their craft rather than shitpost bottom rate art constantly? And I can tell it's bottom rate because I have eyes, mystery solved, Sherlock.
So, obviously nothing that Rob, Leonid or Circe said went through your head. That's great to know (sarcasm alert).
No, I clearly makes me wonder why you don't upload your own artwork since you clearly know how to draw really good art. Y'see, trolls on other websites always bash people when they themselves clearly can't draw to save their own life.
Just going on personal experience, mind. You draw something and upload it on AOTK, then we'll see how qualified you are to call something "bottom rate". Since you can apparantly draw just as well as Circe and HBum.
Personally,I don't like having enemies on the site.Thus,I usually stay neutral on conflicts here,though I can read them to learn from them so as to not ever do similar mistakes.As the saiying goes,"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat them" after all.
That said,even though I don't like to personally intervene for one side or the other....you kinda pushed my hand here,Ringo.I was just posting on my rps,and doing my new story on Deviantart,but alas....reading through this whole thing,I had to put my own two cents,to what I see as unfair insulting of an artist....so let's begin this discussion,shall we?
1-Way I see it,before insulting someone on their performance,you should back up your big talk by doing something better.I comment on works I like,yeah,but I don't comment at works I might not like as much.Why? Because I am no artist. Being unable to draw,I do not post critical comments on other people's arts,because I would not be the right person to do so. I wouldn't be FAIR,if I told people "man,this?It's all wrong,ya should do better or call it quits" when I can't draw even half as good as the artist. Heck,I'd be a hypocrite if I did.
If you are gonna call someone art ridiculous,at least do better.But you should NEVER call anyone's art ridiculous or worse at any rate,which brings us to the next topic on our discussion...
2-The artist is basically taking his or her time and effort for everyone on the site,for free.Johnson is under no obligation to share his art with us.We are not paying hims to do it,we didn't hire him to do a certain quantity of art per month to the site. He does this because he WANTS to,and yet he does it in good faith,he deserves better tham being insulted. In fact,when you love your art,and want to share it with others without asking for anything in return,you deserve praise,not insult.
3-When you pursue someone and trash him or her for an unjustified reason,you won't be doing many friends.AOTK community can be friendly,heck,I got a lot of friends myself...but you gotta be willing to be a nice person.Be kind,and people will like you more.
4 and last,for quite frankly I lack the patience nor the inclination to continue this discussion,even though there are way more I could put here for you- If you are gonna speak,be reasonable about it.
That's all from me.I do hope you take this advice in mind,it'll make convivence with a lot of people a lot easier. Thanks for listening,and good night.
Adding onto the pile here. Johnon is not a bad artist. It's clear he makes deliberate stylistic choices that might make him less popular, but he keeps proportions well, uses texture, and gives characters realistic weight and perspective. You can't just do that without trying and learning. There are plenty of artists about that don't use perspective and proportion nearly as well as Johnon does, and they don't get any grief about it.
Long story short; A stylistic choice does not make a bad artist.
The spankee is actually beautifully drawn - her position, lovely round bottom, in particular the feet are great sketch work. In fact there's a lot to be appreciated in all Johnon's work - especially the characterisations. Keep drawing and posting what you feel Johnon.
