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So is this JUST a color job, or did you...redraw and recreate the comic? I don't know why, and maybe this is just me, but something looks VERY different here and it's not just the coloring and shading, but maybe I'm just seeing things that aren't there.
I find it so interesting how good Circe's comics look both when they're flat black and white and fully colored and shaded - speaks to both of of your guys' talents. uvu
What a lovely surprise ! You never fail to impress with your coloring and reposing of the characters, hon. I never know when you'll randomly grab my art and breathe extra life into it.
Jinchu, Well thank you anyway!
Ritsuko, They are dopplegangers from the evil universe, nothing wrong here.
Jac The Coyote, Find ten differences (I've redone third panel from scratch)
chrisrox, Well you thought wrong! Go stand in the corner.
rogue-kun, I use it mostly for perspective and line work, it's a bit slow when it comes to big brushes and everything else really.
Tienz, as well as on the other ones.
yapyap, I like it too!
Lys, Red-blue-yellow is a common combination throughout history of art, had to do something with presenting best pigments available.
lonewolf86, She does that to improve the view for our benefit.
Circe, Keeps you on your toes ain't it? Look out i might creep up on you grab you by your art and blow some more life in the near future.
vrrattko, Yes, Circe deserves to be kept on her toes, for hours. As well as her art colored.
@H-Bum: The least you could have done was find out who those OCs are by doing some research so that you would know how to color them. Otherwise, it's rather messed up to color them with the wrong colors. it can be considered disrespectful to the owner of those OCs too.
It is well colored yes but it would be wise to apologize for coloring Ritsuko's OCs with the wrong colors. You really should have asked him and Circe if it was okay to have it colored in the first place.
@Circe: I understand that you're the one that drew this but this was commissioned by Ritsuko. You should have asked him if it was okay for someone to even color this in the first place. That's also messed up man.
Just so you know, my OC is a consulting lawyer. Next time anyone wants to use an OC should consult him so he can make sure characters are not disrespectful of the likeness of other persons of characters, since now the rights of OCs are so important.
Ritsuko, Alright, i don't want to be an asshole to a person who supports Circe, so i'll be patient and explain. The amount of respect something commands is proportionate to the work that was put into it. If your characters are well fleshed out and distinct, then what's the harm in trying a different color scheme for them? Is it enough to detract from them? Is their cloth color such an important part of their identity? Because if it is, then what's the loss? How hard was it to create them, really? If you put that energy into creativity rather than searching for imaginary slights to yourself, no one would mistake your characters, no matter what they are wearing.
Spoiled. I can't believe there would be this much rage over someone taking a black and white image and using their own time to color it in (very well) and do their own *slight* spin on things.
This was not even something that was paid for....what a joke to be this offended over something completely free that is simply another take on an image already here.
Disrespectful would be the bitching directed at Circe/Hbum over something so petty.
@Leonid: OC rights are important you're absolutely right.
@H-Bum: Again. I would've been fine had you or Circe asked me first. Don't get me wrong the shading is awesome, but asking would have been nice ya know? I like Circe's art, the sketch was amazing. But now, I can't see myself getting another one
WTF H-bum? You don't get to tell someone you hurt, that you didn't hurt them.
Some people are protective of their OC's, some people aren't.
Ritsuko was never disrespectful, he was only HURT that someone would change OC's like that. How arrogant can you be to turn this on him? He did absolutely nothing wrong, while YOU did.
I honestly thought this would go like, "oh sorry, I'll check next time!" but never to "Fuck you". WTF.
@H-Bum: Still, while you did color the comic well, all of this could have been avoided if you just ask Ritsuko for permission since you are coloring his OCs. It would have been wise to make sure. I know you did this for free but still, that doesn't mean you should do something like this without proper permission from the owner of their OCs, especially when they're protective about them. Sure, Circe made the comic, but Ritsuko commissioned it, so he should have a say in this.
Ritsuko: I had no idea this was going to be colored. I never gave permission nor knew it was going to happen.
LeonTekashi: Again, this was not something I was aware of. Once the image is posted I have no control over who copies the jpg and decides to color it. I did not know it was going to be colored.
Leonid: Before we start a trial, let's just get all the facts first. Please ?
H-Bum: Please, calm down. This is just getting worse.
This is a really nice color job man! I swear, every time I see something you colored I want to steal if for reference when I'm painting. I am also really impressed with how well you imitate Circe's style. That's a difficult thing, and you pull it off without a hitch! Great job!
I just happened by and wanted to know if there's somewhere I could sign up to commission a b&w comic from Circe and get H-bum to color and shade it for free? This sounds like a tremendously sweet deal.
@Ritsuko
No harm was intended bro. In all honesty, H-bum did a great job coloring this, at least he'll know next time
@Leon
Same, no need for faulting old boy for his mistake. It was a mistake. Circe didn't even do anything bro.
@Leonid
If that's your statement, "Ha ha, good one."
@Zani
Like, can we all chill? Y'all really are trying to make a federal case out of this shit? He can be protective of his characters all he wants, but he doesn't need to treat something like this as grand injury.
Hell, people call Pima "Prima," and everybody spells JoJo's name "Jojo." Big deal. Nobody deserves this much backlash for a simple unintended mistake
Like, H-bum took his time to color this which I'm sure was a strenuous task, and y'all are hopping all up and sown on his ass becasue he got the color wrong? Are we adults here or what?
All you need to do is say "Thanks for the coloring job, though Nero's hair is actually [whatever the hell it is], make note of that please, and thanks again!" Boom.
Try to understand where H-Bum is coming from, because Ritsuko kinda had an uppity tone there, and expressed shitty gratitude
brokenzz123, to make up to Circe for lost customer, i'll color up to 5 page comic for free to anyone who commissions her next. I'll even do the colors right.
JoJo and Aladdin, thanks for being the voice of reason, but you are talking about people who put their fe-fes above other peoples freedom of expression, good luck convincing them. And yea, next time i'll know not no get involved with Ritsuko.
He didn't ask to get it colored, even less wrong? He got upset about it and is not your call to tell someone to just get over it. He was hurt and you should respect his feelings.
Sorry for not kissing a great artist's ass, specially after going "fuck you" on him.
I think this is absolutely brilliant by H Bum. He's one of my favourite animeotk artists and I hope this episode isn't going to put him/her off doing further drawings. Because honestly they are immense.
We haven't seen enough of you this year - keep em coming!
Jesus, Zani, he did get his black and white version did he not? If this image upset him so much why didn't he just had it removed? When i presented my reasoning why did he retract his business from Circe, without presenting any compelling arguments about what i did wrong? If his aim is to be hurt, i say let him, i'm not walking on eggshells around him. And you should get over your jealousy and work your ass too if you want it to be kissed.
#33 Wed October 25, 2017 19:45
I wake up to drama holy crap.
first off.... H-bum Another amazing one! im a sucker for good natural colors somtimes.
Second i'll state what i said when talking to the group chat about it... You don't need to be upset misunderstandings and stuff happen. You need to remember nero the names of the ocs wern't on the picture.
finally why is this causing so much dang drama we're adults.... Its a picture think of it as a dang alternate reality where every is natural colored or something. It's nothing that you need to stop commissioning people over.
I'd really rather hoped to stay out of this, plenty of people have been the voice of reason and said/written everything that I'd otherwise have to say, but it doesn't seem to be improving.
It's not like I can wade into this as a mod and solve what is a personal difference of views between two people. Neither of you are wrong, you're just driving yourselves into tighter and tighter circles.
Outside of one particular echo-chambers AotK doesn't actually have hardly any drama here and it's vaguely annoying to see people posting here like it's an imageboard. As I often say, if you just want to shitpost, act like a child, whine about how entitled you are to art or get snippy and be upset over things not being perfect then go to 4chan.
Can we all please be a bit more civil and stop being so reactionary. I genuinely believe that the main parties involved in this are perfectly reasonable gentlemen - and most of the rest of the people posting are thoroughly reasonable people - all you need to do is take a quick couple of hours away from responding and posting to each other and you'll feel better. The more you respond reactionary and quickly the less of a point you're making and just turning into weak point-scoring.
Seriously, please, stop posting for the day and take a breather and you'll realise that you're getting out of hand.
Edit: I'm removing the posts of people just going "Fuck off," "Fuck you too." That's shitposting and people should be embarrassed of showing such weakness (and yes, I do descend to it occasionally and very yes I hate when I do).
Okay but uhhhh, Ritsuko is 100% in the right here. It was a commissioned comic of his characters, as stated in the description of Circe's original posting. The art belongs to him. He paid for it. He has the right to not want it worked on without his permission, especially if said work changes the piece so it's not showing his characters anymore. I know I'd be pretty pissed myself if a black and white art I'd commissioned of my own characters got colored by someone else and posted without my knowledge, with the colors changed to resemble someone else's.
Quality, or lack thereof, of any coloring is irrelevant. In the strictest sense, what H-bum did was stealing. It's as simple as that.
Now, I get that mistakes happen though, and this all may have been unintentional. H-bum either didn't think the surprise coloring job would be a big deal or didn't realize the comic was a commission for Ritsuko. What makes me really look at this thing cross-eyed though is their attitude once Ritsuko raised an issue, which I feel was completely out of line. What I would suggest is a simple apology from H-bum, as should have been done as soon as the mistake was realized. And then another apology, for his comments made afterward. After that maybe something can be worked out.
It's really hard for me to understand anyone looking at the chain of events here and thinking 'both' sides are in the right. One clearly is and one clearly is not.
Croup commission alone is not enough to grant that copyright it would totally depends on the Commission contract between Circe and the commissioner, the rights default stay with Circe unless the contract specific it was work for hire for the purpose of full transferal of copyright. At at best in a vague contract would be an none exclusive shared copyright. Especial given the commission wasn't private but allow Circe publishing rights for this work to post here in the first place.
Further more H-bum had an implied licence bases on Circe welcoming H-bum coloring works posted here by Circe in the past.
It's really hard for me to understand anyone looking at the chain of events here and thinking 'both' sides are in the right. One clearly is and one clearly is not.
Fine. Ritsuko is right and everyone should be ashamed to feel that a fictional construct created for solace on a porn site and used over and over in derivative fiction got a piece of derivative fiction done in which the creator didn't like it. Can we drop the subject now?
Don't worry about it Croup. Nothing you say will get through to people who don't care about OCs. Just know I talked with Circe and things got worked to the greater good, and I appreciate the people that backed me up in this situation. But like I said, what's done is done, what's been said has been said.
Stop the presses and stand up in respectful attitude, hands clasped to chests. Henceforth Art has a "way it should be done" and a "way it shouldn't be done". The Authority has spoken.
Well after a month since it happened and once everyone involved stated the issue was closed or remembered it, but hey. That's why he is The Authority and you're not.
