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Trying to make money from your art is not the problem, posting advertisement disguised as art, That is the problem. Of course people who are looking for art will be annoyed if they find adds instead. Plus, you are making money off of all the other artists who post uncensored art, since you rely on them to bring people to this site to see your advertisement.
You're missing my concern. Yesterday before the latest influx we had approximately 20-25% of resident artist uploads being an advertisement for patreon featuring censored art. How long until it reaches 50%, or even more. How long until the entirety of the front page is nothing but one big censored advertisement?
Wanting to promote your business is great. But exclusively posting censored images and filling up the front page to promote users leave the site and go elsewhere for the work, that I don't feel so great about. Hence myself and others voicing displeasure.
That's the point zebra king: I don't want to (although I can if I have to) deal with people posting nothing but advertisement on this site. It is after all a site where people share their art, not an advertisement platform (at least not yet). The rules even state "no personal adds". So why should this be ok?
I'm not going to get any more involved in that than I should, so I'll just say one thing.
It makes sense that artists take steps to make money from their passion or hobby, there isn't anything wrong with that. The issue is the way it's being done, like others have said. If your contributions to the site from now on are going to be nothing but censored advertisements for work on another site you have to pay money for, then that is not only disrespecting Aotk, but also all of the members who log on to see the public works people post and have spent time on with no expectations of anything in return aside from some compliments or comments. Why should it be allowed that an account can post frequent advertisements that feature no spanking content and push the public artists who actually supply content that users are interested in off the front page? It's completely counter productive to let this continue as unrestrained as it is, and it's definitely a slippery slope that will only drop the quality of this site over time.
A better alternative would be to make 1 out of every 5, 6 or however many pieces you make publicly viewable, and post it here. That way people see new content from you, you can still get some more traffic to your patreon, and more viewable art stays on the site. I think it's a pretty simple solution.
First people were mad because she "wasn't supporting AOTK" and now that she's helping the site with VIP everyone's still mad? Chill out and look at the other artists on the site. She's not the first or only person to use AOTK and just post ads to make a living over and over. Either support AOTK so they can stay up and see the uncensored stuff, or support the patreon with one measly little dollar so she can eat, or just look at other art. This seriously isn't some huge epidemic. Sites need money to stay up, people need money to live. Unfortunate fact of life.
- I don't need to comment your work to earn the right to criticize your business model.
- This is not about you personal or your art in specific, I am criticizing this business model because it is harmful for this site, and I like this site.
- I wish you all the best for your patreon campaign, I really do! I like your art and I hope you can make enough money with it to live a good life. That doesn't mean I support the practice of posting Advertisement on a site which is designed to post Art (or at least I assume that's what it's designed for).
Let me actually share my feels on this. I have ZERO problems with you trying to make a living with art, thats awesome and keep it up. My issue is one on principal alone. You are posting artwork that requires payment to see, to a free website. That alone breaks the spirit of what these kinds of websites are, they're for sharing images freely. If you posted the pics unsencored and had a link to your patreon id be super down to toss you a couple bucks a month, because the tragedy of this is your artwork is fantastic, it honestly is. But the situation this is all it brings things down.
SO fuck it, i became a patron, cause i legit do care that youre able to eat and afford rent and shit dude. Living is, kind of important. Just sharing my feelings on the situation, not trying to be a dick.
Zani, quit it. Seriously. Not even the censorship thing, this high-road attitude is really uncouth.
We're all broke. AOTK ain't your soapbox to get your financial stuff straight. The other 99% of the gallery doesn't make all this censored art any less distasteful. Just because it's not breaking any rules doesn't mean it's okay.
There's social norms to adhere to on this site, and you're conveying a blatant disregard for them with this crap. Take your Patreon ads to DeviantArt, if they're already there, KEEP THEM THERE!
This is not what AOTK is about. It ain't about hijacking this free hosting gallery to peddle your Patreon because "boo-hoo no one buys my stuff" I guarantee you the struggle I'm going through right now is way less favorable than yours, and it STILL wouldn't be justified if I was the one posting all this censored stuff. You're a grown woman. Who said life would be easy anyway?
Look,everyone, can we just drop this subject? You want Zani to understand your side, but you don't really understand hers.
Like she said, this is important to her,it's how she make a living. Yet she was also nice enough to help AOTK, allowing the vip gallery-who is going to become PUBLIC,mind you-to have her uncensored work, while less patient people would probably not even consider it after all the pressure she's been given by some people here. That and she DOES have another excellent point-there are lots of uncensored art from her here of great quality with few comments, butas soon as she does something she HAS to, everyone fall on her like if she is the worst person in the world!
Besides, last I checked, gallery is meant to give comments on the art, not complain if it's censored or not. Heck, it's only the butt covered, most of the pic isn't censored! And it's not like she's even charging a full commission price to see uncensored, it's only one dolar!
I wasn't gonna get involved, as I don't like getting involved in arguments. I'm more of a guy who tries to be friendly to everyone. But things got to a point where I HAD to give my own two cents, and on mobile even! Zani is one of my closest friends, and I REALLY think the ones complaining should give her a break here, be somewhat grateful for the things she did for us and to be patient enough to even post her art here when instead of praise she gets insults and scoldings on 99% of what she posts! JUST. LEAVE. HER. ALONE.
And before you try arguing with me, don't bother. I don't want get pms about this, vms about this, or whatever, and if I do I'll just politely delete the pm and ignore the vm. I just hope people will leave her alone for a while. I've been around here since her first pics,people, saw all she posted here even before the censorship.... Zani has exposed all her reasons, time is changing, can't we just be a bit understanding of why she has to do this and take the time to actually appreciate her art instead of just repeating the same old song each and every time she posts ANYTHING?! 😡
Welp, thanks for listening, and good day, night, or whatever it is when you guys read it.
Why should the subject just be dropped? Do problems go away if you stop talking about them? I can understand you getting pissed if your friend gets insulted, but that didn't happen here. People where criticizing her business model in a rather civil manner and presenting their arguments. All I have heard from Zani is her killer-argument: I'm broke, so I have to do this. That's it. Nothing about those concerns that where expressed about this situation. The fact that her behavior would turn AOTK into an advertisement platform, if everyone started doing this. The fact that she is relying on other people to do what she doesn't want to do, which is posting art for free. Bagool even presented a possible solution. So pardon me for saying this, but I believe it's Zani who doesn't care for the other side.
Zani, If you're annoyed, now you know how we've been feeling for the past few months.
Like I said, just because it's allowed doesn't mean it's okay.
Mastervegeta, it doesn't matter if it's a dollar. It doesn't matter if it's a dime, what matters is this onslaught of censored images to AOTKs gallery.
Y'all can act like we're just bullying her all you want, because not only are you wrong, literally NOBODY else on this site does this, and by just "dropping it," the situation stays unresolved, and the problem continues.
We're all broke. AOTK ain't your soapbox to get your financial stuff straight.
Point a, speak for yourself. I might not be rich, but I'm far from broke, and I do know for a fact several other people here belong to the working middle class and sustain themselves decently.
Point b, I have seen time and again people getting their financial stuff straight, and proportionately charging way over what I'd consider their skill afforded. There was drama about that, too. I won't say names, but it's happened more than once and more than twice.
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This is not what AOTK is about
You don't get to decide that. Ai and Akuma do, since they're the ones putting the work and footing the bills. To make know what "this is about", they laid the rules. It's not against the rules, then this is "what it's about".
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There's social norms to adhere to on this site,
Yup. They are called rules. This is not against them. End of story.
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I guarantee you the struggle I'm going through right now is way less favorable than yours, and it STILL wouldn't be justified if I was the one posting all this censored stuff.
And what do your testicles have to do with eating wheat, as we say in Spain. Your personal situation is not relevant to the discussion at hand, and your presonal perception of right and wrong is not relevant to the stated rules. If you posted stuff like this, it WOULD be justified for the site and it's community. If you want to put up your own limits and beliefs do so, but remember that beliefs are like dicks. Respect those of others, don't wave yours in someone's face in an unrequested fashion and don't push them on kids.
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This is not about you personal or your art in specific, I am criticizing this business model because it is harmful for this site, and I like this site.
You don't get to decide that, either. And even if you're right, bitch please. If Jhonon's flood didn't scare away the newcomers, nothing will. We've had floods before, we've had advertisement before, we've had drama before and yet here we are.
To clarify, I have no particular interest in this discussion. I don't know Zani, even from the chat, and her art doesn't really appeal to me (just a fact, not saying it's better or worse for that). But this plague of entitlement is what REALLY needs to stop, and now.
For the most part people have been very calm with you about this concern and you constantly respond with growing attitude and sarcasm.
Nobody is demanding you to stop entirely doing what you're doing. But fact is people are growing tired of seeing the front page filled with censored ads about patreon. Look at Ashleys latest post. Uncensored art, contributing to the site, and directs users in ways to support her. That is a solid way to sell yourself.
Censoring your art so users can't even see what your art truly looks like is not a solid way to do that. You say it's the censoring that has brought people in, but have you stopped to think that maybe it's the fact you've been posting and doing commissions aggressively that has brought users to you instead? Don't you think keeping your art uncensored would draw more people to you? Because I sure do.
I'm not trying to call you out or start a war, but...I've expressed my views multiple times. Do what you wanna do, but know there's better ways to do it than all the censored "Support me if you wanna see it!" type shit.
Also, Leonid, hope you have a basket for all that cherry picking.
Zani, I follow you on patreon. I want to say something, I am actually kinda ashamed by what everyone is saying. Its your art, you can do whatever you want with it. People have no right to complain.
People aren't complaining about the art. The complaints have been about the constant wave of censored images that censor the whole point of an image being on a spanking site, the spanking, the dragging people away from the site to see it.
It doesn't make the site better. And it especially won't by dragging users away from it. What is the point of AOTK if the entirety of the resident section is used to advertise patreon while only offering censored images?
Keep censoring your art Zani, and gain support on your patreon. If people don't like the fact that you want to make money off your own art, they can go to some other artists to fap over. Simple as that.
I've read everything. Just get the onto the vip side of aotk or support her patreon and quit complaining. You can still visibly see 90% of all the images so at least you get some sort of preview, so it's not like it's complete advertisement for her patreon.
You still get content, yet you sit there and complain just because the butt itself is censored. Like I said dude, you have your options. There's plenty of artist that will still show iuncensored art. That's my point. Zani doesn't want to do that. As far as anime otk guidelines go, she's not breaking any rules whatsoever by posting censored art. If everything was free to view, none of us artist would make money other than commissions, and that can be an issue.
The censorship is the reason zani is even able to get money through patreon, because before, like she said, she had no support from the community.
So either support her, and gain access to the uncensored works, or don't. The choice is yours. No one's forcing you to do anything, but please just respect her and the other artists choices.
You're completely missing the point. This is about filling the front page with non-spanking content. You censor the butt, the spanking, its no longer a spanking picture. Its not content relevant to the site. That is the problem. The problem is also filling the front page with nothing but advertisements to a paid site that is not aotk. New users are going to see all that monetization on the front page, you think they're going to stick around? No, they aren't. Not likely.
This is about aotk, not Zani, not censorship, nothing else. The spam of censored content to the front page is not healthy for the site. That's the only thing this is about. If you think my stance is anything else, you're wrong.
I'm not missing your point razzy. I can see exactly what you're talking about, but I'm just trying to be level-headed about the situation, and then to see it from the artist that created the works perspective. Something you should consider as well.
Go to the front page. Tell me exactly how many of the works posted are censored. I'll wait. It's definitely not filled with censored art like you claim.
It's not like the pictures are so censored you can't even tell that they're spanking pictures anymore. You can see her hand up, you can see him crying out. It's literally just a reddened butt your missing. Is it really so hard to just be content with that?
@Gutter Waif When did I do that? I never said my word is law. I'm stating my opinion on why this is a bigger problem than previously presented. I never said its the only way of thinking. Don't misunderstand.
@zebra king As I stated yesterday in my posts, approximately 20% of the residents page were censored. 6 images of the approximate 25 you can see at any given time. And that is with just two artists doing it. What happens when more start doing it because its suddenly become the normal thing to do? We now have a large chunk of the page looking similar.
Is it really so hard to be content with that? Yes, as I and many others have been pointing out for months now, yes. It is hard to be content with that when the nature of what is being done is harming the site in the long run.
I appreciate your willing to fight something you feel against, but I feel like you're making an assumption of something that might not even happen. You feel like the spread of censored art might continue, and it might, but it's not like all the work on the site will be censored.
It's not harming the site. You think it is but it's really not. In fact it's helping the site promote the VIP section. If you haven't noticed, sometimes the admins post about needing more donations to keep the sites running. It's not cheap running all these domains, so VIP sections like that are needed to help support that.
Having censored art on the page is something to easily overlook. Go on Tumblr, discord, go on deviantART, there's other sites you can go on to get your fill of spanking art.
I'm just saying you have your options. It's not like the whole site will be censored my dude.
I'd say a chunk of the front page being a big advertising campaign for monetized sites is definitely going to hurt the site. New users, new artists come along and see that. I sincerely doubt growth will happen with that being the front page.
The VIP section is also something I disagree with, but that's another story, one I don't particularly care to bring into this conversation since as I understand it there's next to nothing in it. All I can say is, I thought the patreon was covering server costs, so I'm surprised to hear we need a VIP section at all.
Sure its easy to overlook, but why overlook it when you can solve the problem. You're telling me to go to other sites to get my spanking art. You're proving my very point right now with that statement.
Whoa kiddo. I never said you were right at all, nor did I prove you right. I simply just gave you an option of what to do to solve YOUR issue.
You brought up the point that like 20% of the art on here is censored, but you overlook the 80% that isn't censored. You sit there and you complain about it instead of actually fixing your issues yourself. GO TO ANOTHER SITE.
You obviously have no intention of supporting this site through VIP, or supporting the artist that censor you their work, so all I'm saying is go somewhere else for your fix. Yet you're going to sit here and continue arguing with me over something that's not even worth arguing over.
New users, new artist that come through here can do as they please, just like the site can run a VIP section, and zani can advertise her patreon. Whether you agree with it or not is your problem, but it's still not breaking any rules/harming anyone.
But you did prove my theory right. By telling me to use another site.
Is that what you're going to tell every new user? Every current user who is displeased by this turn of censored events and movement towards paywalls and monetization? Rather than have a civil discussion, come to agreements, and modify existing rules to better the site, you'd rather tell users to leave the site entirely?
Don't you think that's kind of short sited? My entire point about this entire conversation has been that allowing censored art to be posted and ask users to go to a site for monetization will hurt the site in the long term.
Dude. Stop saying I'm proving you right. I'm literally not. I just simply gave you a solution. You're failing to miss my point, and continue to use this childish method of saying "no you're wrong, I'm right" bullshit. The whole point of your argument was because you felt the need to bitch and complain about something that doesn't even matter that much. Who cares if someone censors their art? Who cares if someone wants to make money from their art? It's there god damn choice and right. Put up with it. I can. So can you.
Like I said multiple times now, about 80% of the site is not censored. A majority of people don't even think the way you're thinking, and you're honestly missing the big picture of everything. I'm not telling new users to leave the site, but you can go somewhere else for your fix since you're clearly not happy with what's happening.
It's called promotion. Maybe you need to learn the definition of that. There's nothing wrong with trying to make money off something, especially if you work hard, and put hours of your time into it. Maybe if you are an artist you understand, but it's something I've come to terms with myself being an artist.
I've never once said I have a problem with users wanting to make money off their art. I've paid for multiple commissions so I can't seem to follow where you think I ever said or thought that. So you're misunderstanding me somewhere.
What do I care about? The site. Can you honestly say a majority of people don't agree or disagree when a majority haven't spoken their minds? I've seen plenty of posters on here and the discord say they do think the censored art makes the site look and feel worse. I've seen plenty of users say does it really matter? But I haven't seen any users openly say "this is a positive change".
Correct, I'm not happy about the direction of multiple artists posting censored works to the front page, neither are others who have voiced their concerns. Telling users to leave the site doesn't fix that problem. What does fix that problem is discussing it. Maybe allowing it in the first place was a bad decision.
I'm well aware of the term promotion. Hence why I said users can do it. I've never once said they can't. Please quote me if you can. What I have a problem with is posting censored art here, and directing users off site to get access to the finished product. All that does is diminish AOTKs value and hurts the site.
It's not hurting the site at all. That's why there's the option to see her art on the vip part of the site as well. It's just an artist promoting her patreon. I'm done trying to reason with you. You have your views and I have mine and neither one of us want to budge on our opinions.
First of all, Zani your art looks awesome. Whether it's censored or not doesn't matter to me.
As for the discussion going on here, would it be possible to take it to pm, vm or whatever, please? Cause, seriously, what's harming the site isn't even the censored art, it's the fact that all users (old and new) are subjected to this pointless argument. You get online and all you see is people bickering. I don't think that's helping the community or site either.
I only keep responding because I keep getting responded to. I'd love to see the people who actually control the site take these complaints into consideration.
Agree. Get a room. You're essentially dressing the same arguments you've been using from the onset on differently worded layers of empty verbosity and it's getting tiresome to, quote, "cherry pick" through all the fluff ('out of sarcasm' quote mark) to read the same.
I'd say it's probably agsinst the rules or the spirit of the site, but we've all seen how much you actually care about them.
ok i held off but as ive just had yet another attack on my own artwork (nothing to do with zani) i'll add my point .
A. it's bloody hard to make a living as an artist with the internet about, to be honest i found it easier when people could not turn to it and asked local artist for work. so i say good luck to anyone who wants to do what they must to make a buck, we all need to eat.
b. people have been yammering on here about what is going to hurt this site, what is hurting this site is the fact people can steal art from it with ease, once again i have had one of my pictures taken off this site, the watermarker removed and it was reposted on that crap hole 4 chan with yet more abuse against me telling me how crap my work is and how i should stop . they have also in the past told me to kill myself. yet all i get told from this site is "dont look" if they really give a crap about the artist's on this site disabling right click would be a big step in protecting our work and at the same time do something to protect this site. it's a dam shame people cannot just be happy posting art and be left alone weather they want to do it for fun like me or to make a living. but there ive said my bit and i wont reply on this thread again.
I mean, it's not like 90% of the pic is censored, just the butt. And from what I understand, if what is Zani is doing is helping her financially, and help keep AOTK running without breaking the rules, then where's the problem?
Yes, you can say the censorship is annoying, it's fair to criticize her for that, but it's only 1$ a month for the uncensored pics on her patreon page. And Zani just listed a couple of reasons for why she does so, it's not done with malicious intent.
Ok. Wow. I find it really unnerving that this is all going down in the comments. I don't think it's the censored art & links to Patreon that would scare newcomers away - it's these comments! You didn't pay any attention to her uncensored work, now that she's censoring, she's getting very unwanted attention, now I've got a question - did. she. ask? Did she ASK for your criticism/critique on her business model? Every one of these comments is the same statement regurgitated. You're repeating each other and it's beginning to look like it's just one person with 10+ different accounts, commenting on every picture she posts now. Does this mean the next person that posts a commissions ad will be on the receiving end of one of these gang-ups?
Most pictures get pushed off the front page after 2-3 days (which is about the amount of time between her uploads, so no, it isn't fair to say "the front page is full of ads/censorship"). It isn't fair to criticize her for anything. If you don't like it, there is an option to you know, skip it. You're all talking as if she posts 5+ pictures every day and "floods" the front page (which doesn't happen and never did). There is also flood protection (a limit on how many pictures you can post in a day). It's not fair to compare Zani's art to other artists' work. Also, it's not fair to compare your situation with someone else's. It's not a competition ("whoever has the worst life wins!"). You've got no idea what someone is going through and the details don't concern you ("you" used in a broad sense). Zani should not have to explain herself to total strangers and she shouldn't have to deal with this!
(don't bother replying to me, you're just spamming her pictures & wasting your time and hers)
For the lovely Zani - You know I very rarely comment on really anything but I do enjoy your art, Zani. I love how you've drawn Chichi and Gohan, they're so cute & you're improving with every very beautiful work of art. I totally understand the financial struggle and because I appreciate other artists & actually care for other artists & their wellbeing I will support your patreon. You do what you need to do.
My comments, and I'm sure many others, are merely based on what I feel is best for the future of the site. This isn't a "gang up". Its a bunch of people sharing similar opinions and concerns based on what is being frequented on the front page in varying degrees.
I don't think anyone ever asked for anyone to explain anything regarding personal lives, so I'm not even sure what that comment is based around.
I think people are allowed to say how they feel and aren't required to keep their opinions confined to PMs if it's a public discussion. Besides, Zani bitched earlier about how one of their uncensored pics didn't get any comments at all. I think this more than makes up for it. Stop trying to censor people's opinion when their having a discussion about something that clearly affects the site.
To recapitulate Nene's comment:
- You don't have the right to criticize anything, even if it concerns you, unless you are invited to do so.
- If you are expressing the same criticism that other people have already made public, you are either a bully who is ganging up on someone, or you are a fake.
- Also, you are actually the problem, not the thing that you are criticizing, so stop fueling this discussion about a topic I dislike and stop expressing opinions I dislike.
- And don't be bothered replying to me, I have no interest in giving the people I assault any chance to defend themselves.
To be honest, writing stuff like this seems way more problematic to me than posting censored pictures to advertise.
To recapitulate Teufelskopf (and many other similarly-minded, diferrently worded) comment:
- Because I feel something affects me, I have every right to demand enforcing rules that are in accordance with my view, in a site that does not belong to me, and disregarding the opinions of the people it DOES belong to.
- Because I said so, my concerns about business models and projections not substantiated by any studies or evidence whatsoever that I have presented (no, the ones you just made up to counter this don't count) are more valid than the concerns of people of a contrary opinion. The rule stating that what is stated without evidence can be rejected in the same fashion was not made for me because potato chips.
- If your opinion has been worded before by someone, by all means you should not let anything prevent you for giving your full opinion again, multiple times. Think tanks and peer pressure are just commie propaganda.
-Flooding a topic with walls of repeated, circumventing arguments is much less of an issue for the site I love so much than swallowing my need to wave my ideological dick in the faces of people and having a quiet discussion.
Agree. Writing stuff like this is way more problematic than censored ads.
Ya know, I hate to be that guy, but surprised nobody has come around to close the comments or something. Not that I MIND watching everyone come together and kick this dead, festering horse. :P
