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Can I ask? Who is Rodrigo?
Is he an OC or a fan who keeps paying for cartoon characters to spank him?
Given how many there are, I'd be impressed for the dedication if it were the latter.
@spankedforreal Zani has the right to censor her art as people have previously stole her art. At least if I recall correctly. No need to be rude towards her, you can still see the rest of the art and use your imagination!
I do not believe she should be removed for her asking for VIP members in exchange for the full picture,
though I do wish there was an alternative method.
For example, if we payed for individual pictures rather than a subscription.
I do donate, but seeing characters I've wanted to see being spanked AS the spanker to Rodrigo is kinda bothersome. Chara for example, or Zelda, Bulma etc.
I did like the Yuri/Natsuki picture, and a few others. If I could pay for them separately I'd be more into the whole patron thing.
Feel free to disagree with me. I don't even know if what I'd personally prefer is possible.
I mean it might cause some people to chose that option over monthly payments, but I wouldn't mind splashing out a couple of quid here and there for something I genuinely want.
Even if it means us picky people are paying more in the long run, it might be worth thinking about.
@SpecificInter3sts Edit P Well,you CAN pay for individual pics. That's called "commission", you ask Zani to draw the pic you want,pay her the money,and she draws it to you,and you obviously get your pic uncensored.
PS: Any annoyances my choice of spanker cause you,believe me,is mere coincidence. ^_^; I choose spankers I like for my character Rodrigo,I don't know your tastes,characters you like,nor do I actively think,"Hmm,how shall I annoy SpecificInter3sts Edit P today?" I'm still gonna be paying for my Patreon subscription, to get the characters I want to spank Rodrigo,so if you don't like it,I apologise in advance,but whoever pays gets the pic they want. ^_^ Rules of the trade,I'd say.
No no, your choices are fine. I'd just rather Rodrigo spank them :P There are dozens of cannon reasons for these people to get spanked, but since I don't really know who Rodrigo is.
But of corse that's just me. I don't go to a Mc Donolds and tell people how to order their food.
I was just saying my bit to the censorship convo.
By no means do they offend me.
You pay so you get.
Except maybe @gogo_gregory... "ad" is putting it lightly!
(By the way, Zani is the only ... ahem... "artist" of which I know who posts censored commissions. Every other artist seems to understand that a commission is a contract to produce a particular piece of art the patron would like to see. Once made, most artists allow the commission to be seen by everyone; the patron gets what he paid for even though everyone gets to look at it too. By censoring all these pictures, Zani is saying their art is good enough that they can charge every individual for the "chance" of seeing each completed piece, which is insane considering their lack of improvement over the years, the piss-poor anatomy and perspectives, and the poorly constructed faces that remind me of when kids in middle school first tried out an anime-like drawing style. And with the censors there, this is not even a portfolio, a collection of examples of their work... because nobody but the individual patron knows what the completed piece looks like!)
The censorship makes it feel like Zani doesn't see this as an art community, but as ad space they don't have to pay for. The professional artists on this site have galleries that are almost entirely uncensored; where they have censored ads, they are few, far in between, and tend to feature entirely new art and the promise of more art (like Eingyeo, the most talented artist on this sight, with Zekel being second, and perhaps Fireball third).
"I hate Zani's art, but how dare she not show it to me!"
"I hate art that is an ad for Patreon, except when Eingyeo does it!"
A ton of people post spanking art that is censored/redadacted as ads on Deviantart and Pixiv (which are also free art-sharing sites), but none of these copy-and-pasted-from-4chan rants seem to proliferate there. I wonder why?
(It's because the people involved would be correctly identified as harassing trolls and banned.)
If that definition seems harsh to you, then consider what the usual suspects in this thread are doing - showing up over and over again in the comments section of an artist they don't like, spamming the same tiresome arguments that they have in that artist's previous pictures, all in hopes of harassing the artist into stopping what they're doing. If they cared about changing the site rules, they'd be petitioning moderators and administrators.
The actual commissioner was fine with how this was posted. The site is also fine with how this was posted. Perhaps you could mind your own business, for once, or go find/found a site that suits your exacting preferences. It'd be nice to not have the "recent comments" section constantly cluttered with a handful of people harassing an artist because the site doesn't work the way they think it should.
I mean Eingyeo also doesn't censor the spanking of a piece loaded to a site dedicated to spanking art nor do they exclusively post censored ads directing users to go to patreon. Not quite the same scenario there.
If you check, you'll notice literally the most recent thing uploaded in his gallery is a piece where the spanking is censored. It's not the first time, either - he did it in his November preview, too. (This isn't meant as a criticism of Eingyeo, BTW!)
Either posting spanking art where the spanking is censored to encourage people to pay you for uncensored versions is an unmitigated evil where you must harass the artist involved until they quit the site, or... it's not. And if it's not, then it leads to the question of why Zani (who posted uncensored art here for years) is singled out for attention when others are ignored. Saying "she started doing it earlier, and now posts less uncensored art even though she did post something a bit back" is pretty weak sauce for something you apparently feel so strongly about.
But, I am not here with an intent to ruin Rodrigo's pic, so I'll just say again: trolling all over the comment section because you don't agree with the site rules is rude. Harassing people is even worse. Please stop it and direct your complaints to the mods and administrators if you can't live with an AOTK that allows art for the purpose of advertisement. I can't force you, of course, but this has been going on for months with no end in sight, and it's making the site worse.
I see plenty of red butt in Eingyeo's most recent post actually. Pretty sure its more the privates that's being censored. But that at least is keeping the spanking in a spanking piece. Not to mention they post plenty of free teaser images and uncensored art. As I said, completely different scenario than here.
It has been going on for months. And people have brought it to the mods attention. They just aren't doing anything about it. Either because they don't care or don't feel the need to.
It's also amazing how some people intentionally misrepresent other people's statements, @Jin being a good example in this case. This individual seems to think that I have a problem with any and all censored art advertising for commissions, which those of you who actually read my post already know is not the case. I won't reiterate the actual point here, since, if @Jin really wants to know it, they can just read my earlier post.
But there's also this cute thing some of the offended folks are doing: suggesting I really want to see Zani's uncensored art despite my criticisms of their art. Again, this goes back to misrepresenting someone's statements, and, again, if anyone is still confused about my actual feelings on the subject, they can just read my post.
It's a shame that offended folks are trying to turn criticism into "harassment" and "trolling," as though they're hoping the administrators will censor (there it is again...) opinions they don't like. @Jin also seemed to want to make this into objecting the site rules or something. It's not terribly impressive that Zani's defenders resort to dishonesty and censorship in response to somebody expressing a critical opinion, and it's certainly disappointing that an "artist" would respond to criticism in as ridiculously an immature way as Zani has, repeatedly (seeming to lean toward "I'm so not bothered, you guys. Look at how not bothered I am!" when not implying their critics are babies).
@Zani, grow thicker skin. You show work to the public, you make yourself available to criticism. Artists live on criticism, not for the attention, but for the opportunity to constantly strive for improvement. Your art has NOT improved since you first began posting, and your and your fans' infantile reaction to criticism make it very apparent why that's the case. Work on anatomy. Work on facial structure. Work on perspective. And for fuck's sake, post ads SPARINGLY, and treat this like a community for artwork and not free adspace! Do that, and you'll probably become a decent artist.
Or just keep throwing tantrums. Your call.
Oh, and everybody? Criticism isn't "trolling," and it isn't against the rules. I've criticized specific things about the art and a specific behavior, with very clear suggestions of improvement. Grow up and deal with it instead of wailing for the admins to ban people who say things you can't take.
Why are we having this debate! For serous people! if you didn't draw it. don't moan about it! if you can contribute, do so and enjoy, if you cant! use your imagination! Don't go acting all butt hurt (pun intended) just enjoy what you got and be thankful that people are willing to Share! censored or not!
@spankedforreal is right on every count except putting Eingyeo ahead of Zekel and not mentioning H bum on the list.
@D T, love your art. I am, in fact, a lurker. Or at least I was one for 10 years before the constant repetitive censored ads and mocking of people who dislike seeing censored ads seemingly every single day on a free forum annoyed me enough to post here.
Reitererating what I said in a different censored ad comments section, I don't care how much Zani charges for her art, though it surprises me people would pay for it. I am not the one paying her bills, I have no say on the matter. Charge people per view, I dont care.
I do care about seeing censored ads on the free forum day in day out, and seeing a 'pro' artist behaving like, since 'ITS NOT AGAINST THE RULEZ OK GUISE' she is entitled to use this space as free advertising AND acting like anyone who disagrees is a hater or a troll.
I don't follow Zani, when I get tired of this I'll promptly go back to lurking whatever it's on the site and paying for what I really like if I must.
But as long as it annoys me enough that I think I should, and as long as it's not against the rules to give my opinion(or I'm not charged a dollar per comment) I'll keep expressing my dislike of her ads and her behaviour when I see fit.
As long as she is entitled to advertise here for free I'll feel entitled to comment on her ads for free.
I have operated as a publisher (and a poor one at that), not a creator. But I do think it is pretty straightforward to say that this approach strikes me as odd, vs other approaches that still ensure revenue for the creator.
People who don't contribute in any form have no right to complain, especially lurkers. So leave this site or be quiet.
Care to back that up with the actual point in the site rules, mein Herr?
I do understand the feeling, really do. But that mindset will set us in a very dangerous slippery slope about "contribution", privileges and who should have them. I've worked close to professional CM enough to know I don't want this kind of topic starting.
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As long as she is entitled to advertise here for free I'll feel entitled to comment on her ads for free.
Sure, no law in the world prevents you from repetitively stating the same claim over and over once your initial claim had made it sufficiently clear, just like you can protest the rules laid out on a private community repeatedly if you don't see them changed. No rules against it.
Just don't expect people to like you very much after some time of it.
It's not rocket science, people. Most commissioned artists work on one single principle, quoting Liza Minelli: "Money, money, money". They get money with what they are doing, they keep doing it, because they need the money. The way to really change things is to vote with your wallet, or convince others to do so. If Zani stops earning money drawing as she does, I guarantee you will stop seeing much of her quickly. Keep pointing out just the TECHNICAL issues in her drawing and style- heck, it's not like there's a shortage of them. Offer other alternatives by reposting or promoting other deviantart/pinterest/whatever commissioned artists from other places you know.
If all that fails, then you have to accept that some people just want to pay for her art, even if you don't understand why. God knows I don't, but still, that people might have their own reasons, and they have the right to do what they damn well want to with their money, including validating her to follow the model she's following.
In zani's position, is probably he the same.
Having fans on one side defending my decisions as a content creator, while those insulting me and my work are telling me how to do my job.
Too right I'd double down.
@D_T "If you're not a chef, you have no right to say a dish tastes bad!"
@Leonid You don't really seem to understand the criticism. Either that, or you're intentionally misrepresenting it in your response, which seems to be the m.o. of Zani's defenders. The criticism isn't that they want to make money, and I'm only explaining this because I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are actually confused about criticisms of Zani: the criticisms are that Zani now very rarely contributes art that isn't censored, that even works that have been commissioned remain censored (which makes little sense), that they don't seem to be making any progress on their art, and that they don't take criticism very maturely.
@SpecificInter3sts_Edit_P (Jesus Christ, that name...) You do understand that criticisms and insults aren't necessarily the same thing, don't you? Let's be grown-ups.
I am fully aware of what the criticism is. I'm just cutting right through the multiple layers of bullshit and giving you the hard facts instead of yet another 232,531-comment tirade on the limits of advertisement, art theft and expression:
So long as there are people willing to pay her, she will keep doing it. Admins are very aware of this and have had ample choice to do something about it, yet they haven't. So, their choice seems to be made.
If you truly feel so strongly about what she does, the only realistic thing for you to do is attack her on the money, whether it's the locus of the affair or not. The rest is basically beating the skeleton of horse dead 2,000 years ago and annoying the f*** out of everyone.
"So long as there are people willing to pay her, she will keep doing it."
"Admins are very aware of this and have had ample choice to do something about it..."
"If you feel so strongly about what she does, the only realistic thing for you to do is attack her on the money..."
@Leonid So even after several explanations, you still have zero fucking clue what the actual criticisms are. That's pretty astounding. And that @Jac_Ranger has been here this whole time and is congratulating you on a well-done response is just gravy. lol
Seriously. Pay some fucking attention instead of just hammering out a rant completely unrelated to what anybody has actually been saying.
Ok, I see I will have to word this so even you will understand it.
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So even after several explanations, you still have zero fucking clue what the actual criticisms are.
We know perfectly what the actual criticisms are. About two million people made them before you, all that had to be said was said, the mods and admins took their actions or lack thereof, and no one gives a single fuck any longer.
Learn to live with that fact, hard as it might be for you.
Or do something about it, as we graciously told you.
Those are the only productive outcomes to take for this. Anything is else is yadda-yadda, waaaahbulance incoming, self-righteousness without profit and in general, just trying to get everyone else interested into your white knight in shining armor trip.
Good luck with that. Better men than you have failed.
A possibly new point of view for any nay-sayers to consider? There may be many of us who positively enjoy the artistic additions which Zani puts into her pictures as posted here. We might well find ourselves amused by the extra invention and pure artistic tomfoolery that goes into the pieces allowing the very technique you abhor to actively enhance our viewing pleasure. Your repeated calls for this practice to cease is of course censorship in itself making your stance hypocritical .. or have I now also misrepresented you?
@Leonid Aaaaand once again, you prove still you have no idea what the criticisms are. Jesus Christ, this is some next-level idiocy. The criticisms suggest for Zani to do things differently, not for the mods to do anything or for Zani to stop doing paid commission work, or that commission work and ads for the same are somehow wrong in and of themselves. Or did you already know that, and you're just hoping being deliberately obtuse will make me too frustrated to ever dare criticize your darling ever again?
Also, "white knight." Doesn't that mean I'd be trying to SHIELD Zani FROM criticism?
@Melakka 1) Criticism is not censorship. I get that the go-to move for everyone in the world is to always try to find out the guy who's saying stuff you don't like as some kind of hypocrite, but you've got to be careful not to be so clumsy with it if you absolutely must go the knee-jerk route. 2) You have indeed misrepresented me, which is kind of amazing given how many times I've explained myself and how easily people who aren't butt-hurt over it seem to grasp my point without my having to explain it fifty billion times: it is not the censorship; it is not that there are ads; it is that the vast majority of Zani's work are now merely ads, and that she hasn't done much to improve her art over the years. This has been repeated multiple times, and I've even discussed other artists who have posted ads and censored pictures, but for whom I have respect, precisely because those censored or advertising pictures are a very small portion of their ongoing contributions to the site. Again, this has all been made clear multiple times, and again, it feels like everyone who isn't offended by criticism of Zani has already very easily grasped these points, needing no reiteration of any kind. That's a funny coincidence, isn't it?
And I'll just bet you good money @Leonid reads all this and STILL posts something where he thinks I'm against money or self-censorship in and of itself, devoid of any context.
If you're going to disagree with what I've said, disagree with what I've said. That you can only defend your pet artist by arguing against things nobody has actually said is a very, very bad sign for both yourself and your artist alike.
@Spanked For Real: Dude, the only one who is butt-hurt over here is you. Has Zani not improved? Maybe not, but people are paying for her work because, surprise surprise, they fucking like it. Does most of her gallery now consist of ads? I don't fucking know, I didn't sit down and take the time to count all her free art vs. all the ads she's posted. But nobody made a stink over it because YOU'RE the one who got this shit ball rolling with your stupid 'joke', that you were so sure and confident nobody got and you were so hurt that nobody got it that you had to raise a stink over it.
Now look, I don't care about Zani or her art. I'm not one of her fans, but I don't hate her stuff either. But she doesn't care, the admins don't care, and nobody forced you to sit down and click on her 'ad', if that's what you wanna call it. Is it on the front page? Yeah, so you can't NOT look at it without going through a lot of effort on your own part. But nobody told you to sit down and click on Zani's ad. Nobody's demanding you to go to her patreon or commission her.
And in case you're gonna try the 'oh, well if she does it then other artists will' excuse, then if it happens, then it happens. Oh well.
@Jac_Ranger Does no irony strike you that you took the time to tell me how much you don't care about any of this, only to then suggest I'm wrong to criticize her at all? If criticism of an artist isn't wrong, why are you responding? If you don't care about Zani, why are you responding? Why does the very notion that someone you don't care about criticizing another person you don't care about make you care enough to try to put a stop to it? And I still have no idea why you crybaby legions keep bringing up the admins. Are you just acting dense to not have to actually engage what I'm saying or...?
@Spankedforreal: Perhaps you didn't notice my little comment was making a different point altogether and not specifically directed at you at all .. so this little one will be.
I neither like nor dislike you and did not suggest you were hypocritical for that reason. I have a firm grasp on the meanings of criticism and censorship but I thank you for pointing out the blatantly obvious nonetheless. I have made no positive or negative comments about Zani's work nor am I 'butt-hurt' over your comments.
Your own first declaration underneath this picture is 'Become a VIP donator to have all of Zani removed from the site!' That is not a misrepresentation of your words as they currently stand as I pasted them in. I clearly am not the one who is confusing criticism with censorship as you are actually calling for all her pictures to be made unavailable to site members; that's censorship you see, not criticism. Yours is the cry of the rabble-rouser to a putative lynch mob. It is distasteful to say the least.
Neither do I misunderstand the points you've made many times over: I understand them very easily and having evaluated their worth, reject them out of hand as containing no validity whatsoever. That I reach such a conclusion is not proof of the idea I am a Zani lapdog, in fact we have never conversed, nor that I'm a gibbering idiot who cannot understand what you have chosen to write.I don't doubt the sincerity of your belief in this matter, I accept you do what you do because you think it important; I completely disagree and cannot see you have made a clear case .. and it is not helped by a tendency to condescend to those who, like me, are unswayed by you in this matter.
Couldn't agree more. At least you are aware of it. Don't worry, special needs education does wonders nowadays.
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Or did you already know that, and you're just hoping being deliberately obtuse will make me too frustrated to ever dare criticize your darling ever again?
Obtuse? My last reply couldn't have been clearer if I'd tried. And quoting yourself, everyone also seems to have understood my point without me repeating it "a billion times". Funny coincidence, now, is it?
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If you're going to disagree with what I've said, disagree with what I've said
Sorry, but no. You don't get do determine both your argumentations and your rivals, that's not how debate works. I know you might be suffering a case of severe mind blow after considering this possibility, but hold on there. Reading comprehension awaits at the end of that long, dark tunnel.
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And I'll just bet you good money @Leonid reads all this and STILL posts something where he thinks I'm against money or self-censorship in and of itself, devoid of any context.
Except in the magical fantasy wasteland of your head and your self-constructed cherry-picked paragraphs, I have never said such a thing. I hope you have good money to spare.
Clearly the only way from here, with your last creative editing of people's arguments as proof, is downhill on a cart of flaming dung, and possibly into you throwing a hissy fit when people refuse to acknoweldge you have said anything remotely valid after the 7th repetition. As much fun as that would be, it's not worth- pretty much like yourself.
Have a nice day and keep giving that voice of yours a workout. You obviously love it.
Does no irony strike you that you took the time to tell me how much you don't care about any of this, only to then suggest I'm wrong to criticize her at all?
No. The irony doesn't strike me because it doesn't exist. I'm not responding for Zani's sake, it's cause you went out of your way to keep this debate alive.
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Why does the very notion that someone you don't care about criticizing another person you don't care about make you care enough to try to put a stop to it?
Because, for one thing, it's not criticizing. You're just starting shit for no reason but to make a big deal over nothing. You're just shoving your opinion in everybody's face and acting all high and mighty when everyone is calling you out for your bullshit. Not to mention Zani didn't take the criticism the first time, so why would she take it the 20th time?
Aaaaand @Leonid comin' in hot with the ableism! Nice! Jesus fuck, what a bunch of winners. (And he still doesn't have a goddamn clue what I've said. lol)
@Jac_Ranger I can't fathom why you've got to be a coward and not just admit that you care about this topic. Why even be such a coward? What the hell do you think will happen if you do? You'll lose internet-credibility? We're on a site about anime spankings. (And you STILL can't admit you're offended by criticism. You've got to come up with reasons you've sunken your time and effort into this, even though, as I can tell, you've already realized what a dumb decision that was.)
@Zani I've never liked your responses to criticism in the past, but I think you're making progress there, at least. You're being infinitely more mature than either of the wits I've been engaging with, not that that's saying much. I appreciate the effort.
@Spanked For Real: Because I don't care that you're criticizing Zani. I just want ALL THIS-these long-ass comment chains and pointless debates-to be either taken somewhere else or for it to stop. I don't know where these accusations of cowardice are coming from or who the fuck you think you are to make these accusations about how I feel or think, but I think it's time I took my own advice and just walked away.
Gracious, the sheer amount of words contributed to this comment section! I wonder how many people read them all, and if they did that, how many take a side?
