character refs in spanking art?

I have a general question about starting out in spanking related art.

If you planned on drawing some spank art using a certain character from a show or film in a certain pose, could ref sheets, screenshots or photos be used as a guide if your getting started or struggling to draw a certain pose/character?

For example, drawing a Disney character using screenshots to assist in the look of the character, while using a photo to assist in drawing the pose.

Or to put it simply: are refs (and/or bases) a yay or nay for beginner and intermediate artists?

thank you

[milf]

That should be fine as long as you didn't do some demonic thing with software and actually use the original artwork thus incurring the wrath of aforementioned hypothetical Disney, as they would then send in Imperial, or whatever they call themselves now Stormtroopers.

[RobM]

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

I have a general question about starting out in the spanking art community.

A'ight,

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

...tracing and bases are usually not particularly recommended (nor do I plan to use them I must say eek) but

...a'ight?

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

...a certain character from a show/film/
...a certain pose takes you liking
...could you use ref sheets/screenshots/etc as help...
...could I use screenshots to assist in the drawing... or combination?

... A... 'ight... Hmm.
So, uh, are you going to use references and trace bases or not? Because you say you're not planning to use them then ask could you use them so I'm a bit confused. Maybe it's me, not you. I mean, I hope it's not me, but I'm okay if it is.

I think one of things is context which springs from this:

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

I have a general question about starting out in the spanking art community.

I know tracing and bases are usually not particularly recommended

Actually, tracing and using bases are entirely normal when starting out drawing, especially new things. All the best artists here (and even the middling-to-rubbish ones like me whose barely drawn in years) started with using bases and tracing. It's a valid part of the learning process.

We also often use stock images and references to help with poses, settings and angles. I certainly do, I'm a huge fan of Senshi-stock on dA, I profess their brilliance openly.

My confusion stems from you asking 'could you' do something. At the risk of sounding like a smart-arse you could run through the streets in a lion-print thong if you wanted to, it's not like you need someone's permission. dA doesn't give a shit if you just post other peoples stuff all day every day since they only obey rules of the internet 8 & 9.

If the question is can you do it and still post it here, again, the answer really is 'yes.' Our rules on referencing and tracing are startlingly easy. You need to confirm it's referenced and URL link to the original image used if it's a drawing by someone else. If it's by an artists here then you should ask their permission. That's not exactly mandatory but if the artist complains all we can do is remove it and you've wasted your time.

It's only surprising how at least one person per year is either too stupid or too lazy to follow the bare minimum declaration we require or even lies about it.

Seriously, if you're learning to draw, have at it hoss'. Just declare it, don't post too many messy works here and be genuine that you're just trying to learn and improve, not steal.

Originally Posted by RobM

... A... 'ight... Hmm.
So, uh, are you going to use references and trace bases or not? Because you say you're not planning to use them then ask could you use them so I'm a bit confused. Maybe it's me, not you. I mean, I hope it's not me, but I'm okay if it is

Ill be trying freehand things, but if I struggle with an irl reference image, use a premade anime base . Heh, its my wording, not the best at wording questions.

Originally Posted by RobM

We also often use stock images and references to help with poses, settings and angles. I certainly do, I'm a huge fan of Senshi-stock on dA, I profess their brilliance openly.

Thats what i meant stock images, screen shots, etc
But if you have a copyrighted character in mind, use official works and screen shots as a shape ref as long as its not fully traced and (as you stated) say who it belongs too and where you used the ref?

Originally Posted by milf

That should be fine as long as you didn't do some demonic thing with software and actually use the original artwork thus incurring the wrath of aforementioned hypothetical Disney, as they would then send in Imperial, or whatever they call themselves now Stormtroopers.

So you can use official artwork as a guide as long as its not the original itself (like photoshoping a head onto another image for example) ?

[milf]

But no actual photo artwork or tres D allowed here. So what you use to base your line art/digital drawn/painted is up to you. Have a actual photo of a spanking? Cool, sit it by your tablet/pad and pencil, and practice til you get a good idea of what you want to do, and then have a blast. What I was referring to was like an .jpg etc you find, of actual artwork of an PAID Disney (etc) person, that you added effects to and do not properly put props for source work... Opens you to looking foolish here, and opens door for LEGAL action against this site, its owners, and YOU the fool that technically stole said (most likely copyrighted, and trademarked) art and IP etc... And this is especially true of ANYTHING Star Wars related! Gorge Lucas is demonic about suing the pants off anyone he remotely thought was not giving him enough props and PAY for anything Star Wars... And now you have Disney to watch out for on THAT as well.

Originally Posted by milf

But no actual photo artwork or tres D allowed here. So what you use to base your line art/digital drawn/painted is up to you. Have a actual photo of a spanking? Cool, sit it by your tablet/pad and pencil, and practice til you get a good idea of what you want to do, and then have a blast. What I was referring to was like an .jpg etc you find, of actual artwork of an PAID Disney (etc) person, that you added effects to and do not properly put props for source work... Opens you to looking foolish here, and opens door for LEGAL action against this site, its owners, and YOU the fool that technically stole said (most likely copyrighted, and trademarked) art and IP etc... And this is especially true of ANYTHING Star Wars related! Gorge Lucas is demonic about suing the pants off anyone he remotely thought was not giving him enough props and PAY for anything Star Wars... And now you have Disney to watch out for on THAT as well.

Got it. Thanks milf

[RobM]

Gods above am I coming across as such a killjoy in this thread.

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

Heh, its my wording, not the best at wording questions.

You're still not, since you're still doing it, still using those same unhelpful words.

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

So you can use official artwork as a guide as long as its not the original itself (like photoshoping a head onto another image for example)

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

but if I struggle with an irl reference image, use a premade anime base.
stock images, screen shots, etc
But if you have a copyrighted character in mind, use official works and screen shots

Originally Posted by ClinkertheLion

as a shape ref as long as its not fully traced and (as you stated) say who it belongs too and where you used the ref?

You still haven't actually given your context.

Again, are you asking about what you can post here, what you can use to learn, what you can post elsewhere to other sites unspecified or just plain asking if it's ethical?
'Can' is a word that requires context.

When a friend asks me "Rob, can you make me a cup of tea, m8?" I always answer with "Yeah, I can."
And after a few minutes and I haven't moved they realise what they've done and ask "Will you make a me a cup of tea, m8?" to wish often the answer is "Sorry, nope."

You still haven't explained if you're asking a moral question or a specific question for the rules of this site - because our rules are not a mystery and I already explained them to you as well as anyone is going to - or whether you're asking some philosophical point.
I could assume it's about the rules of this site but you haven't made that clear even when invited and I've already answered that.

I'm certainly not going to say "Sure Lion, you can [not] go do this," because that would be open-ended. I can't approve art for this site I haven't seen. I can't say it's okay on this site to use techniques you haven't specified. I can't pre-authorise you to copy someone else's work.

Originally Posted by milf

I'm going on a massive rant about DISNEY DISNEY DISNEY giving legal advice and moaning about Lucas

I know you're trying to help but I suspect your rather lost against the monster you've created and gotten worked up about. Disney doesn't give a shit about us really. Last I checked every site on the internet has fan-drawings and star wars porn. Small time curmudgeons like us don't make the list.
Also please don't give legal advice or say that things are against the law. Remember we're a global site and what's against the law in one state (even if your advice was right) will be different in another and different in other countries. You should note that neither the internet, the law or copyright works the way you seem to think it does. Which is a likely a good thing.

Oh, and George doesn't work for disney or own star wars anymore, you can relax on that front, he isn't going to get you.

Ill try rewording the question properly ��