Do we need Endart?

[JDecurious]

Greetings
I apologize in advance for my English, but I hope you will understand me and express your opinion on this important issue.
I am one of those who regularly replenishes the gallery of his drawings at https://animeotk.com/gallery/showgal...cat/972/page/2
Andy no longer draws, but I consider it an important mission to preserve all his drawings for us and our descendants) Therefore, I am one of those who managed to save most of his drawings long ago and sometimes replenish this collection on our website.
And the fact that my work is not in vain is confirmed by reports that people continue to add pictures to favorites. I have already deleted some of these messages, but more than a thousand of them have accumulated again)

But recently an administor wrote to me in private messages whose name I don’t want to call and said that he has the right to decide what we need on our site and what not, and that he thinks that I should stop posting Endarth’s drawings.

Therefore, I want to ask you, dear visitors of this site - do I need to continue to lay out his drawings or are you no longer interested?
Yes, some of them are repeated, but it is not so difficult to remove 5-6 out of 20-30 and can not be a reason for the ban.
In general, write here your opinions, do we still need Enadrt? Or I need to stop?

[Collegeboy]

Hmm.... I'm torn on the issue. On the one hand, Endart is/was an inconic member of the spanking art community, and his work should be preserved in at least a few places, to keep it from disappearing.

On the other hand, his body of work is huge, and it's easy for updates to flood the front page, pushing out other works on a regular basis, in the effort to put in all his artwork. Also, none of his work is new, as he stopped doing it years ago, and people have seen most of them all already. so it's almost necro-posting. If there was a way to put files in the gallery without hitting the front page, that would be ideal in a case like this, but that's not how the AOTK site works.

In the end, it's still the mods' decision. I don't know what specific reasons the mod had for wanting the posting to stop, but I imagine it's at least somewhat along the lines of the concerns I have. For myself, I am honestly leaning more to not posting them anymore. I can appreciate the effort and desire, I really do, but, due to the concerns I have, as well as the art not strictly being anime or comic-based, nor the work of a resident artist, who are generally given a pass for source material in exchange for being an active member, it's appropriateness to the site is questionable.

[JDecurious]

Thank you for your opinion. Yes, you are right, the scope of his work is huge, but I spread them in metered portions, so that local, if I may say so, artists, it is not difficult to block them with their drawings and be visible on the first page.

I do not want to offend anyone, but some artists post so many completely the same type of drawings, and the volume of their galleries has already exceeded 10 or more pages, but their drawings are not interesting and do not cause any response in the soul, as if it were painted by 10 year old children and this is completely not to the benefit of this site.
Honestly look at the first page: how many of the 20 drawings do you have a desire to click on them to enlarge? At least out of curiosity. I'm not talking about how many drawings excite your imagination and eroticism? Yes, sometimes there are 3-5 pages flipped through and all to no avail.
And without such drawings, what not to say, the cherry on the cake disappears

Let's be honest - bright artists, such as Endart, Kamitora, Eve and others are not so much. Especially on this site. They are all our past, which we must preserve. I don’t think that if anyone else had unearthed Eve’s unknown drawings, then someone would have been against putting them in the galleries. Unfortunately, now almost no one draws as much as they once did - juicy, with humor and eroticism AND EMOTIONS


And one more detail: unfortunately, those talented contemporaries, whose pictures we all admire here, such as alt_cor, H-bun, Gesperax, Oscar, Crice and others very rarely post their work here, and many have stopped doing it. Guess why?




Soon I will end up with Endart and that will be the end of it. And the site is flooded with your favorite, monotonous, clumsy figures, drawn crookedly and not sexually as if with children's hands with colored pencils on school paper.

Dear artists, please do not take it personally, I draw a little myself, but this is more in the style of Hardcastle, but I don’t consider my works worthy to lay out here.

It will be so boring... world peace

[RobM]

Wow, you're acting really salty over what should be a positive issue.

But recently an administor wrote to me in private messages whose name I don’t want to call

This is a lie. The messages are public and can be read here:
https://animeotk.com/forum/converse.php?u=59078&u2=4

...and said that he has the right to decide what we need on our site and what not, and that he thinks that I should stop posting Endarth’s drawings.

This first part is another outright lie. I said clearly that all you're uploading these days is duplicates. Scores of duplicates. Duplicates that we (mods) have to spend hours verifying and removing. I've spent hours myself personally in that massive, huge gallery double-checking before removing your dozens of duplicates each time. In fact I went and did a quick recount before posting my reply... It's shocking! Nearly 150 of your last 175 uploads are duplicates. That's exactly why I wrote to you although not even I realised it was that stark.

People can see it the whole two messages I send on the subject are public and not private.
It's a total lie to suggest that I decided whether endart should be here or not. I said nothing about the 'right to decide' - I asked you to stop uploading dozens of duplicates.

Andy no longer draws, but I consider it an important mission to preserve all his drawings for us and our descendants) Therefore, I am one of those who managed to save most of his drawings long ago and sometimes replenish this collection on our website.

I agree. No-one ever disputed that. No-one has ever suggested otherwise.

My messages state that we pretty much already have all of them. You're long passed the point of just uploading the same old pictures over and over again. You're even adding a '1' or a '2' at the end of the filenames because you've already uploaded them so many times.
I really don't like that you ignored me and ignored the fact that we've removed duplicates by the dozen and carried on uploading them. It's almost as if you have an agenda.

Soon I will end up with Endart and that will be the end of it. And the site is flooded with your favorite, monotonous, clumsy figures, drawn crookedly and not sexually as if with children's hands with colored pencils on school paper...
...but some artists post so many completely the same type of drawings, and...their drawings are not interesting and do not cause any response in the soul, as if it were painted by 10 year old children and this is completely not to the benefit of this site.
Honestly look at the first page

That's really salty, insulting and doesn't contribute to the debate at all. You like endart and don't like other stuff. Okay. We hear you. That is an opinion and yours is weighted with others - it isn't a fact that endart is objectively superior to everyone else. Putting 'no offence' at the start doesn't undo a really salty series of rants.

And one more detail: unfortunately, those talented contemporaries, whose pictures we all admire here, such as alt_cor, H-bun, Gesperax, Oscar, Crice and others very rarely post their work here, and many have stopped doing it. Guess why?

Why don't you ask your friend Andy? I'm sure for some of them their answers will be variations of the same. Some of those have stopped drawing and don't post anywhere. Some have moved on because that's what people do. Others are still posting here regularly and you're just doom-mongering.

I mention Lawrence, Cross-chan and Klauth to some new members and they look at you blankly. They've never heard of them. That seems to enrage some of my colleagues who don't understand how those names could be left by the wayside just because they took a mere ten year hiatus. Just because endart isn't available on VHS anymore in a bluray era isn't the sign of a catastrophe. People move on.

It should also be noted that Circe and others hate being used in comparisons by others in that way (ie, saying they're better than others) and if you were a fan you'd know that... and wouldn't do it.

Seriously.

You may not want to name me but you're calling the site out in public and I know it's me you're talking about... criticising the site for blatant falsehoods and I don't know why - this is my/our right of reply.
It's fascinating that you have ignored all my messages to you without reply and choose now, weeks later, to make your response.

You say that it only takes a few minutes to check for duplicates - it doesn't, it takes a long time - so why didn't you do that?
If you told me that you have another fifty endart pictures that were new and unique I'd be interested... but I don't believe you.
You've uploaded 100+ duplicates. Sometimes I'm removing 12 out of 12 of your uploads which is why I was messaging you to stop saying that we were done with endart. That we probably have them all. I don't believe you have more and the one or two that potentially exist aren't worth us mods searching through 30 pages of endart gallery to find them among the dozens you upload.

Here's an honest question and I don't need a poll to know the answer:
* Do you have a fetish for spanking
* Or do you have a fetish for uploading endart

I've already worked out that it's the latter - you just want a licence to keep on uploading duplicates, to keep replacing other uploads on the front page of artists you don't like.
I can see what you're doing... it's not complicated and calling out our site in public for that strange agenda is just an unfortunate choice and one that wasn't going to end with you just stating your myopic, inaccurate (and in some cases lie) case one-sided without response. Especially when the messages that supposedly kicked this off are publicly visible.

Can't you just be pleased that you've uploaded almost every known image and just be satisfied? As I asked you in the public messages... can we not just label the gallery as 'the complete collection' and celebrate? Why start drama just because you want to keep uploading.

[RobM]

Just in case anyone's curious here's a screenshot from our 'duplicates' section in the admin recycle bin.

It's no exaggeration to say it's got pages of these removed duplicates. You can see the 1 and 2 added to the filenames showing where duplicates are uploaded and reuploaded over and over.



Again. You've succeeded. Congrats. Why aren't you celebrating that we almost certainly have the total and complete sum of Endarts works?
Who needs this drama - because we don't wish it.

Why can't we just be happy with the achievement. There are more glories to be had not living in the past. I like endart too, I'm actually very grateful that you uploaded them all... from my messages can't you see I was trying to lead you towards some of the other great, early-internet generation artists whose work we don't have a lot of like An or Eve? That seems a better worthwhile task - if you can police yourself for duplicates there - rather than trying to turn poor Andy from Endart to Endless-art.

[Collegeboy]

OK, you know what? The moment you started insulting active resident artists because their work doesn't live up to your "lofty standards", you lost me. Seriously, don't do that. At least they are doing the work to make their own art and not just using the site to archive someone else's.

[JDecurious]

The fact that there are numbers after the titles is normal, as you can see in your screenshot - this is a series of comics, and not one and the same picture under different numbers.

I spread in my opinion the best of his drawings strictly alphabetically - from a to z.
Now I am already on the letter S, not much is left.

It is a pity that you deleted some of the unique drawings, please do not do this anymore.


And I am very pleased that the majority supported my work - people want to see him and I will must finish what I have begun.

[Jac26qq308]

Dude, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. RobM just wants you to

A. Not upload duplicates when only Mods have the power to delete said duplicates, thus making it there job to comb through the gallery.

B. Not to slam other artists and use select artists as a benchmark standard.

Now I get the first one. Duplicates happen. Some slip through the cracks. I also love Endart's work and want as much archived as possible. But if you're gonna flood the front page, the least you could do is try to check first. And take a closer look at that comic example. Why are they numbered '12', '21', '31'? It's confusing and implies that there are duplicate files.

Again, duplicates happen. And Endart's gallery is BIG, even here on the site. RobM isn't trying to tell you to not post his stuff, he's asking you to take some responsibility.

[RobM]

Originally Posted by Jac Ranger

RobM isn't trying to tell you to not post his stuff, he's asking you to take some responsibility.

Hate to contradict you but I'm pretty sure I've made it clear he should stop uploading.

I tried for several months with the whole 'take some responsibility' and all I got was silence until this dirty thread taking swipes out of nowhere... and for no adequate reason.

No, I haven't said it explicitly but I'm about to. He's just uploaded a shitload more duplicates out of spite and defiance. I'm probably going to tell him to stop uploading. Bad enough I have to deal with his endless duplicates but I'm honestly not going to deal with his attitude too - and I don't think anyone on this site should expect I have to.

@JDCurious

You baffle me. Why are you persisting with these lies like it's going to fool anyone?

I spent months trying to message you about the uploading. Months trying to open a dialogue.

You ignored me for months now all you've got is this strange calling me out in public with easily disprovable stories when I've already posted screenshots of the removed duplicates which can easily be matched to originals in the gallery.

Why is this obviously public venue your choice - do you think it's going to help you?

Originally Posted by JDecurious

The fact that there are numbers after the titles is normal, as you can see in your screenshot - this is a series of comics, and not one and the same picture under different numbers.

That's a lie, easily disprovable.
Here's the original Comic:
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...artin1/cat/972
That's Martin1 you uploaded Wed March 25th, 2015.
The duplicates were uploaded in November 2018.
You can clearly see in the screenshot that it's Martin21, Martin31, Martin41. You've just put a 1 one the end and uploaded again.

Here's another original: Onenightinthesorority
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...rority/cat/972
You uploaded Onenightinthesorority1, clearly in the screenshot.

Here's the original PaddleImpact already uploaded by spankmaster:
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...impact/cat/972

You uploaded PaddleImpact1 in July 2018 and PaddleImpact2 in November 2018. Both since deleted hence no link but visible in the screenshot I provided. I removed them both together since by then we had 3 copies in the galleries.
It goes on and on like this for hunreds and hundreds of duplicate uploads with 1s, 2s and 3s on the end as you upload the same images over and over.

I don't understand, I've made it clear that your easily disprovable lies will be called out by me... I'm just going to tell people the facts so this isn't going to work.

Originally Posted by JDecurious

people want to see him and I will must finish what I have begun.

Unless I tell you to stop, in which case, you will do it.
Why are you even pretending you have a mandate: you've received a 100% post feedback to stop uploading and/or antagonising the mods of this site. Even the guy who half supported your opening post was quickly turned off by your toxic attitude (sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth, Collegeboy).

I really wouldn't call upon what people on this site want... especially when they've given no such mandate and will be quick to tell you otherwise.

Meanwhile... You've just uploaded MORE DUPLICATES. Right here:

Six on the way
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...he-way/cat/972
Six on the way1
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...heway1/cat/972

She is shocked
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=59702
She is shocked1
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...ocked1/cat/972

She hates that
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...paddle/cat/972
She hates thatpaddle
https://animeotk.com/gallery/showpho...paddle/cat/972

These are just the ones I found in two minutes while going through your current uploads. If I actually spent the time I have to police your damned uploads SELFISHLY dumped by you I've no doubt I'll find more.

For the purpose of this thread I'm leaving the duplicates in the galleries (their archived here so removing them later won't be a problem) so that people can actually see what I'm dealing with here.

Honestly, you're going to sit at your desk and type out this nonsense that I'm in the wrong or that I'm trying to prevent you from uploading Endart works or that I'm against Endart with a straight face.
What's wrong with you?

Originally Posted by JDecurious

It is a pity that you deleted some of the unique drawings, please do not do this anymore.

Charming(!) I can't see anyone, objectively, thinking this is going to end well for you.

I can only repeat myself, I don't know what you think you're going to achieve, flippant comments like that just make it worse.
Uploading is a privilege, not a right, and it's one that you're frankly abusing.

Here's a question, beyond your rhetorical 'do we need endart' clearly designed to cynically give you licence to carry on and do as you please and ignoring the rules and moderators of this site.

You're answering me back. Lying. Throwing out casual insults.

Where do you see this ending?
What is your endgame in this thread?

Do you have one?

[Jac26qq308]

Well, I apologize RobM for misunderstanding how far this has gone on for.